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Old 12-28-2012, 09:35 AM   #16 (permalink)
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A10 schools have beaten #1 a handful of times in the 3 point era. Multiple A10 schools have BEEN #1 in the 3 point era.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:25 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: A10 power rankings - 12/28/12

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I did. And from what I've seen, he's right - they can't shoot and are undisciplined on defense.

But I don't think their lack of style points is what damages the league and earns that award you are talking about. It's numbers that hurt. I think St Joe's has some bad losses and lower than expected RPI. And they could put it together and have a great A10 season.

SLU....same boat, and getting healthy. I'd say both teams are BETTER than UMass, and have more uneven OOC results, and are probably better equipped to light it up in conference play....making them far better candidates for that award you speak of.

The reports of Umass' demise have been exaggerated. Partly due to the fixation many here have on one crazy Umass fan's predictions. They've quietly held serve and won the games they were supposed to win, while not really clicking yet.
I can't disagree, SpiderDave. Good points.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:33 AM   #18 (permalink)
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How often do A10 schools have a win vs the #1 team in the country?
UMass did it in three consecutive seasons: UNC 93-94, Arkansas 94-95, and UK 95-95. UMass' 95-96 OOC record is unlikely to ever be matched by an A10 team (UK #1, UMD #19, Florida, WFU #10, BC, UNCW, Georgia Tech #21, NCSU, USC, Syracuse #13, Memphis #3, Louisville #21 - all games were wins and all rankings are the AP poll prior to the game. Some teams, like BC, were ranked at some point in the season but not when UMass played them).
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Unfortunately for the Minutemen, the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee hasn't returned their phone calls since 1998.


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Old 12-28-2012, 11:55 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Re: A10 power rankings - 12/28/12

on am unrelated note:

Most weeks in AP poll, average ranking and highest ranking for A10 teams:

Temple 157 13 1
Xavier 123 17 7
LSU 107 11 1 (never ranked while a member of A10)
SLU 97 12 1
Dayton 92 14 2
DU 91 8 1 (never ranked while a member of A10)
SBU 82 9 2 (never ranked while a member of A10)
UMass 78 10 1
Butler 75 16 8
GW 72 15 5
SJU 65 10 1
Charlotte 22 21 17
Fordham 19 12 7 (never ranked while a member of A10)
URI 16 23 20
VCU 9 17 11
UR 9 19 13

Temple, UMass and Saint Joseph's have all been ranked #1 as members of the A10.
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Unfortunately for the Minutemen, the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee hasn't returned their phone calls since 1998.


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Unlike you, I rarely mention ancient history of my team. I was responding to a new A10 member's post that was essentially a question about the A10'a past.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:58 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Which has nothing at all to do with the question that was asked.
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on am unrelated note:

Most weeks in AP poll, average ranking and highest ranking for A10 teams:

Temple 157 13 1
Xavier 123 17 7
LSU 107 11 1 (never ranked while a member of A10)
SLU 97 12 1
Dayton 92 14 2
DU 91 8 1 (never ranked while a member of A10)
SBU 82 9 2 (never ranked while a member of A10)
UMass 78 10 1
Butler 75 16 8
GW 72 15 5
SJU 65 10 1
Charlotte 22 21 17
Fordham 19 12 7 (never ranked while a member of A10)
URI 16 23 20
VCU 9 17 11
UR 9 19 13

Temple, UMass and Saint Joseph's have all been ranked #1 as members of the A10.
Wouldn't Butler and VCU have finished higher than 8 and 11 in Final Four seasons?
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:22 PM   #24 (permalink)
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on am unrelated note:

Most weeks in AP poll, average ranking and highest ranking for A10 teams:

Temple 157 13 1
Xavier 123 17 7
LSU 107 11 1 (never ranked while a member of A10)
SLU 97 12 1
Dayton 92 14 2
DU 91 8 1 (never ranked while a member of A10)
SBU 82 9 2 (never ranked while a member of A10)
UMass 78 10 1
Butler 75 16 8
GW 72 15 5
SJU 65 10 1
Charlotte 22 21 17
Fordham 19 12 7 (never ranked while a member of A10)
URI 16 23 20
VCU 9 17 11
UR 9 19 13

Temple, UMass and Saint Joseph's have all been ranked #1 as members of the A10.
Not to dig up an old thread - Ok, yes it is....

What have you done for the A-10.... 4 teams have never been ranked while playing in this league.... I am aware that the context of that thread also looked at post season appearences... but the distinction of never being ranked while representing this conference means something too..... Just sayin'
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:40 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Not to dig up an old thread - Ok, yes it is....

What have you done for the A-10.... 4 teams have never been ranked while playing in this league.... I am aware that the context of that thread also looked at post season appearences... but the distinction of never being ranked while representing this conference means something too..... Just sayin'
Not real proud of it, Knobby. But, at least we've received votes as a member of the A-10..
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:47 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Wouldn't Butler and VCU have finished higher than 8 and 11 in Final Four seasons?
The AP does not release an end of year poll like the coaches poll does, so the last AP poll is after the conference tourneys.
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Not real proud of it, Knobby. But, at least we've received votes as a member of the A-10..
That welding scandal really hurt you guys - one can only wonder what could have been if that didn't happen. That said, you at least have some excuse...
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Seems about right. I would have St. Louis lower.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...ankings-a-10-3
Seems about right to me too. Strange that he kills Charlotte for the FSU loss (which most Niner fans agree, we should've won that one) but then says it's forgivable for St. Joes? I suppose that's the perceived difference between "semi-home" and "neutral" court games?

I'd actually still move the Niners down a notch or two just due to the easy schedule and lack of strong wins. The road win over Davidson is not nearly as good as wins over Notre Dame (SJU) and Butler (Xavier), even if they were really early in the season, even if the Niners have been more consistent against bad teams. I'm not even all that confident they're better than Richmond at this point, but neither team has really won a significant game yet so it's hard to tell.
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Re: A10 power rankings - 12/28/12

In Saint Louis' defense:

Our best player makes his debut tonight. May make them a little better.

Most Bills fans aren't too far either way so far (the biggest debate is if there's 2 bad losses or 1).

So right now, SLU being lower would be fair.
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Re: A10 power rankings - 12/28/12

there's something to be said for not losing any bad ones and umass has avoided them, despite all the close games. i think umass will be scary good by the end of the season once again. remember it wasn't until the start of a10 play last year and really mid january before umass really started clicking last year. to me the turning point last year was falling behind 20-3 last year against st joes and then coming back and winning by 15 or so. up until that point we struggled, getting blown out by fsu and college of charleston as well as a close loss to a weak miami team followed by wins over mostly cupcakes. heck we had a nailbiter at home with fordham in the first weak of january last year. at the end of the year though nobody wanted to match up with us in the a10 tourney.

4 of our next 5 are on the road, where we struggled last year. 4-1 would be outstanding, 5-0 would mean tourney contention.
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