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Old 12-29-2012, 09:58 AM   #16 (permalink)
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While I would have no real problem with adding Siena should we lose all of our Midwestern teams, and need to add a few to get back to 12, under no circumstances should we consider adding Iona, Hofstra or Fairfield. There are better candidates out there, and I'd much rather end up with 12 teams, than to add low value teams to get to 14, or 16.
With the BE7 taking the good teams and Umass leaving for the football BE, the line to join VCU, Duquesne, Fordham, St Bona, LaSalle, URI, Richmond, and St Joe's may not be as long as you think it is. Iona, Hofstra or Fairfield may start to look pretty good.
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I used to like Butler. At least a couple of the arrogant Butler posters are making that more difficult by the day.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:13 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Re: Fordham & the A10 - question

Ramram continues to make things up and hope that those on this board are not alerted to the truth. The truth is that Jeff Gray, VP of Fordham, on his own asked the BOT this last summer to move all sports to the PL. The BOT dismissed it out of hand saying the alumni would not stand for it and we should focus on improving in the A-10 as opposed to running away. The focus is to play more games off campus and improve the facilities surround the RHG. Will that be enough? I have no idea but I know the BOT wants no part of moving us to the PL. Our AD has repeatedly said we are committed to the A-10. Ramram wants no part of the Fordham board because his posts are met with facts like I have just given you and his agenda driven speculation is shot down.

The most likely scenerio is that we do not do anything and let the latest round of movement shake out. The C7 will form their new conference and we will stay in the A-10 even if it loses 4 teams. Many at Fordham think that in reality that is the best thing that can happen to us, we stay in the A-10 that is not as strong but it is still a much better conference than the PL. The PL has been riding Lehihg and Bucknell for a few years now but McCollum and Muscala are seniors and those guys come along once in a decade.
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I used to like Butler. At least a couple of the arrogant Butler posters are making that more difficult by the day.
Just think of them in a few years. Stevens will be gone, they will struggle, and they will be totally out of place as the only non-Catholic school in a league that never lives up to its hype.
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With the BE7 taking the good teams and Umass leaving for the football BE, the line to join VCU, Duquesne, Fordham, St Bona, LaSalle, URI, Richmond, and St Joe's may not be as long as you think it is. Iona, Hofstra or Fairfield may start to look pretty good.
Nonsense! GMU, Siena, Cleveland St., and Holy Cross would all be better choices. We don't need to add just anybody to have 14, or 16 teams. 12, or even 10 teams is better than adding low value teams.
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Re: Fordham & the A10 - question

This sentence is a dead giveaway as to where ram ram is from:

"Siena is a good choice no doubt, regardless of our future participation in the A10, additional schools like IONA, Hofstra and Fairfield could really generate interest in the NY Metro area."

Notice Iona is capitalized and he's lobbying for them to be added to the "New A-10." This guy is a troll from Iona that just wants to trash Fordham Basketball under the guise of being a Fordham Football supporter. Totally transparent.
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I used to like Butler. At least a couple of the arrogant Butler posters are making that more difficult by the day.
This is the guy that was talking all sorts of trash, then didn't post for a month after the Xavier game. That's the worst type of poster. At least Muddy, and z-28 come and take the abuse after a loss.
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Re: Fordham & the A10 - question

A. Brad Stevens is going to be coaching Butler a LONG time. Maybe Duke would be an issue, but that's years away.

B. In the 4 years preceding Brad Stevens becoming head coach, Butler had two Sweet 16s and 1 national coach of the year. Christ, how old do you think he is? BU has averaged 22+ wins a year for 20 years.

C. Why are bad programs so sensitive around here? Be good --> Get Respect

D. Those MAAC schools are just fine. I'd imagine Davidson would supersede them though
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With the BE7 taking the good teams and Umass leaving for the football BE, the line to join VCU, Duquesne, Fordham, St Bona, LaSalle, URI, Richmond, and St Joe's may not be as long as you think it is. Iona, Hofstra or Fairfield may start to look pretty good.
I agree. With this trajectory, Fordham would be rejoining some of its traditional rivals - effectively being in a conference resembling the MAAC. Although the new A 10 would be a little more competitive.

Many Fordham fans are having a hard time adjusting to the fact that basketball will not be part of the C7. Despite all the reassurance, a new university president, and the changing composition of the BOT may facilitate a change. What happened over the summer won't. Matter to them


Maybe we can rename the Rose Hill Gym the Rose Hill Indoor Stadium and pretend it is 1971 again. But that was then, wins are a rare occurrence and that needs to change
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I agree.
Of course you agree that Iona should be invited into the "New A-10." You're from Iona so it makes sense.
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C. Why are bad programs so sensitive around here? Be good --> Get Respect
Win a conference tournament. Still get no respect.
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Re: Fordham & the A10 - question

You can't make sense to a guy like Title_BU. He's so far up his own ass that he can't hear a thing. I'm sure he was really tapped into the BU program when it hadn't been to the dance in over 30 years from '62 to '96. It's easy to pop off when you've had some success. The true fans handle success with a little bit of grace and don't feel the need to remind themselves of that success by constantly putting others down. I won't let him ruin my respect for the Butler program, though.
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A-10 fans do you think Fordham will have a better basketball program if we dropped football and put that 6 million a year towards our basketball budget?
Are you REALLY spending $6 million a year on Football? Then there's your problem.

You don't have to drop football, though. Dropping football is a bad move for alumni relations. Dropping the program pisses off way too many people (aka donors). But you need to slash that budget. A lot. Dayton spends $2 million on their football team, and they have road trips to Jacksonville or San Diego, and North Carolina every year.

Maybe a six year-process, where you divert half a mil per year from football to basketball.

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We don't need to add just anybody to have 14, or 16 teams. 12, or even 10 teams is better than adding low value teams.
I ask again. What's the difference between a program like LaSalle and a program like Siena? Over the last six years, they've won the same amount of games. But Siena has NCAA bids and La Salle doesn't. They've got the same number of wins vs Top 50 opponents, but La Salle also has nearly 3 times as many losses. In otherwords: Siena doesn't have to go through Xavier and Temple to make the NCAA Tournament.

There's nothing wrong with having teams that never make the dance. It's actually quite nice for the rest of us. They just need to win OOC games.

Adding someone just to add someone does nothing. To me, they need to be someone who are:
A) capable of earning an at-large bid
B) spending like hell to get better
C) In a decent sized market.

I would consider five schools for our openings: George Mason, Quinnipiac, Stony Brook, Siena and Belmont. (I do like Siena's attendance. That's a sign of a program with growth potential and infrastructure).

But you don't expand just to expand. I'd have no problem playing with 8, 9, or 11 teams.

What's the downside to waiting and not-expanding?
Split all the loot from the departed teams into much larger slices!
Show people we're still a multi-bid league.
Let teams like Iona, Siena, Quinnipiac, Stony Brook, etc play their way in, rather than get a free pass due to numbers.

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In the 4 years preceding Brad Stevens becoming head coach, Butler had two Sweet 16s and 1 national coach of the year. Christ, how old do you think he is? BU has averaged 22+ wins a year for 20 years.
Yeah, if losing the FIRST THREE COACHES didn't slow Butler down, losing Stevens ain't going to do it.

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Win a conference tournament. Still get no respect.

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Are you REALLY spending $6 million a year on Football? Then there's your problem.

You don't have to drop football, though. Dropping football is a bad move for alumni relations. Dropping the program pisses off way too many people (aka donors). But you need to slash that budget. A lot. Dayton spends $2 million on their football team, and they have road trips to Jacksonville or San Diego, and North Carolina every year.

Maybe a six year-process, where you divert half a mil per year from football to basketball.
That is not going to happen. Fordham football has it as a goal to win a national championship which is not as unrealistic as it sounds. Besides we are a full scholarship program, so that is 60 athletes at $50k per year, that is half our budget right there.
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That is not going to happen. Fordham football has it as a goal to win a national championship which is not as unrealistic as it sounds. Besides we are a full scholarship program, so that is 60 athletes at $50k per year, that is half our budget right there.
Then you're not really spending $6 million on football. It's an expense as an accounting practice, but as a University, it's really "opportunity cost."
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