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ace93 · 12-29-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jpschmack

Then you're not really spending $6 million on football. It's an expense as an accounting practice, but as a University, it's really "opportunity cost."

Correct. It is part of the budget, but not money truly being spent. It does have Title IX ramifications though leading to more opportunity cost losses. For a school that is tuition dependent, that is not as trivial as it might seem.

Rich93 · 12-29-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by baskets

Of course you agree that Iona should be invited into the "New A-10." You're from Iona so it makes sense.

The Iona guys are still busy trying to figure out how Pelle is going to get eligible when everyone in the world knew that there was no way in hell that was going to happen and that he would never step foot on that campus.

As a Fordham fan I have no problem being in a basketball conference with Iona, hell I say add in Manhattan good local rivalries for us. I would rather see us join the MAAC as opposed to going to the PL.

Bill Russell · 12-29-2012, 02:01 PM

If Fordham wants to join the MAAC, then fine. However, I don't see Iona or Manhattan as fits in the A10 in any way. Their facilities are not good at all. If I'm not mistaken, both have smaller gyms than Fordham.

BU_Hoops · 12-29-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bona84

I used to like Butler. At least a couple of the arrogant Butler posters are making that more difficult by the day.

Not Butler, but the real BU - Boston U. I'm still bitter that the A10 took St Louis and Charlotte over BU back then...

Bona84 · 12-29-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BU_Hoops

Not Butler, but the real BU - Boston U. I'm still bitter that the A10 took St Louis and Charlotte over BU back then...

Sorry for mischaracterizing you, BU Hoops. At the risk of moving off topic, I have a couple of questions for you regarding Boston U (my wife's alma mater). I haven't followed closely the upcoming move to the Patriot League, but what was behind that move? And, if given an opportunity to move up to a more competitive conference, what are your thoughts on BU's ability to increase its competitiveness accordingly, and perhaps "bring" the Boston market?

**J92** · 12-29-2012, 04:40 PM

Really ramram... a new thread with basically the same old topic. Prove your point that Fordham has a .200 winning percentage in all sports over the last 25 years. Back up any of your statements with actual facts and then get back to me. Hear say and dinner conversations really have no bearing and add NOTHING to any of your arguments.

This is not a personal attack, but an attack on the way you try to make a point. Way to ask the A10 board if Fordham belongs. That's like going to an Occupy Wall Street rally and asking if the rich should pay more in taxes. You know what the answer will be.

jjw23 · 12-29-2012, 05:07 PM

It is frustrating to see the lack of success that Fordham has had while in the A10. No NCAA or NIT Tournament appearance, losing seasons upon losing seasons. On the plus side Fordham has a few things going for it. It is in the biggest media market, it is without a doubt the strongest school academically in the A10, and it has a great endowment, which proves the school does have the monetary resources available to put into improving athletics.

I really feel for the Fordham Rams fans out there. I'm a UMass fan myself and ever since Coach Cal left, we have had little success ourselves (minus a few NIT seasons). I think Fordham owes it to those fans that have stood by supporting the basketball team for all of these losing seasons to upgrade their facilities and get serious about becoming better in basketball. I realize getting a new basketball facility is not the end all solution to improving the program, but I do think it would excite the fan base and bring more people in to support the program.

ace93 · 12-29-2012, 05:20 PM

Fordham is not the strongest school academically in the A10. I would put them 3rd.

xudash · 12-29-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ram ram

A10 fans, there are interested parties in the Fordham Community curious about opinions away from the institution, so here is the question; given our history with the conference, current facilities and stated level of commitment, do you believe Fordham can compete in the A10?

Thank you for the feedback in advance.....

No.

Question for Fordham: do you believe a conference member should take the position that it has some level of fiduciary responsibility to its conference partners?

TUOwl06 · 12-29-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ace93

That is not going to happen. Fordham football has it as a goal to win a national championship which is not as unrealistic as it sounds. Besides we are a full scholarship program, so that is 60 athletes at $50k per year, that is half our budget right there.

Fordham has a much better chance to compete nationally in football than they do in hoops. Heck, the PL has produced a FCS finalist while the A10 has only only one (*) FF and no title game appearances. And trust me, Fordham football has a lot more in common with Colgate than they do with Umass hoops during the Cal days.

Fordham football >>>>> Fordham Basketball

UMass87 · 12-29-2012, 06:29 PM

Didn't you want the > symbol?

TUOwl06 · 12-29-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UMass87

Didn't you want the > symbol?

Indeed...

duq81 · 12-29-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TUOwl06

Fordham has a much better chance to compete nationally in football than they do in hoops. Heck, the PL has produced a FCS finalist while the A10 has only only one (*) FF and no title game appearances. And trust me, Fordham football has a lot more in common with Colgate than they do with Umass hoops during the Cal days.

Fordham football >>>>> Fordham Basketball

The problem is, no one cares a whit about FCS football. Women's basketball gets more attention.

TUOwl06 · 12-29-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by duq81

The problem is, no one cares a whit about FCS football. Women's basketball gets more attention.

Absolutely not true. JMU, NDSU, Montana, App State, Delaware etc. will draw more fans in two football games than some A10 hoops teams will in an entire season. FCS is taken very seriously but it is a bit of niche.

Duquesne does not care about FCS football which is why their facilities/support stinks. However, former NEC memember Albany does. That's why they're building a new stadium and moving to the CAA.

UMass87 · 12-29-2012, 07:17 PM

duq81 is right. Sad to say but FCS football will soon get about as much attention as DII or DIII.

12-29-2012, 02:01 PM	#33 (permalink)
Bill Russell Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,848 Rep Power: 34346	Re: Fordham & the A10 - question If Fordham wants to join the MAAC, then fine. However, I don't see Iona or Manhattan as fits in the A10 in any way. Their facilities are not good at all. If I'm not mistaken, both have smaller gyms than Fordham. __________________ www.bonaalumni.com

12-29-2012, 04:40 PM	#36 (permalink)
J92 -PREMIUM MEMBER- Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 578 Rep Power: 7052	Re: Fordham & the A10 - question Really ramram... a new thread with basically the same old topic. Prove your point that Fordham has a .200 winning percentage in all sports over the last 25 years. Back up any of your statements with actual facts and then get back to me. Hear say and dinner conversations really have no bearing and add NOTHING to any of your arguments. This is not a personal attack, but an attack on the way you try to make a point. Way to ask the A10 board if Fordham belongs. That's like going to an Occupy Wall Street rally and asking if the rich should pay more in taxes. You know what the answer will be. __________________ 2004-05 A10 Pick Contest Champion!!

12-29-2012, 05:07 PM	#37 (permalink)
jjw23 Rookie Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	Re: Fordham & the A10 - question It is frustrating to see the lack of success that Fordham has had while in the A10. No NCAA or NIT Tournament appearance, losing seasons upon losing seasons. On the plus side Fordham has a few things going for it. It is in the biggest media market, it is without a doubt the strongest school academically in the A10, and it has a great endowment, which proves the school does have the monetary resources available to put into improving athletics. I really feel for the Fordham Rams fans out there. I'm a UMass fan myself and ever since Coach Cal left, we have had little success ourselves (minus a few NIT seasons). I think Fordham owes it to those fans that have stood by supporting the basketball team for all of these losing seasons to upgrade their facilities and get serious about becoming better in basketball. I realize getting a new basketball facility is not the end all solution to improving the program, but I do think it would excite the fan base and bring more people in to support the program.

12-29-2012, 05:20 PM	#38 (permalink)
ace93 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,204 Rep Power: 80754	Re: Fordham & the A10 - question Fordham is not the strongest school academically in the A10. I would put them 3rd.

12-29-2012, 06:29 PM	#41 (permalink)
UMass87 Star Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,727 Rep Power: 226644	Re: Fordham & the A10 - question Didn't you want the > symbol?

12-29-2012, 07:17 PM	#45 (permalink)
UMass87 Star Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,727 Rep Power: 226644	Re: Fordham & the A10 - question duq81 is right. Sad to say but FCS football will soon get about as much attention as DII or DIII.

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