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Old 01-02-2013, 06:12 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Re: Fordham & the A10 - question

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Good post. Since he is committed to living in Fordham's athletic past to justify the present then why not upgrade our oldest program: baseball which, I believe, has won more games than any other college program and has produced over 50 MLB players and has been around since 1860?
Sorry, this former student deli worker (when it was in the basement of Queens Court)is not from IONA. Sorry to shatter the theory.

The only people are disillusion about the past are our basketball fans - living in 1971 (forty years ago) about the same distance in time from the Sugar Bowl days when many of you arrived on campus - and you thought that was ancient history.

Sorry, our basketball program has no history [B](2 NCAA appearances in almost a half century, with none in sight) The Patriot League is a sensible alternative to a program that can't compete at this level.

Sure more insults are coming, I don't care. It breaks my heart to see the current performance of our team. For daring to suggest a conference change, which I thought would give us a chance to compete again in D1, I was accused of being an administration plant or a fan of another team. As you can see, my opinion hasn't been silenced. Unfortunately for my critics, group think (contrary to the principles of a Jesuit Education) seems to be the norm - sad for the program, not me.


P.S. our storied baseball program had to take a second seat to Football. Well that's what happens when you produce one of the most storied front 7s in the college game and perhaps the NFL's greatest coach. All due respect to Frankie Frisch.

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Sorry, this former student deli worker (when it was in the basement of Queens Court)is not from IONA. Sorry to shatter the theory.

The only people are disillusion about the past are our basketball fans - living in 1971 (forty years ago) about the same distance in time from the Sugar Bowl days when many of you arrived on campus - and you thought that was ancient history.

Sorry, our basketball program has no history [B](2 NCAA appearances in almost a half century, with none in sight) The Patriot League is a sensible alternative to a program that can't compete at this level.

Sure more insults are coming, I don't care. It breaks my heart to see the current performance of our team. For daring to suggest a conference change, which I thought would give us a chance to compete again in D1, I was accused of being an administration plant or a fan of another team. As you can see, my opinion hasn't been silenced. Unfortunately for my critics, group think (contrary to the principles of a Jesuit Education) seems to be the norm - sad for the program, not me.


P.S. our storied baseball program had to take a second seat to Football. Well that's what happens when you produce one of the most storied front 7s in the college game and perhaps the NFL's greatest coach. All due respect to Frankie Frisch.
Sure, now back to the Iona Message Board. Busted!
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Sure, now back to the Iona Message Board. Busted!
This is silly. Check out his posts on the Fordham board. Way too intune with Fordham football past and present to be an outsider.
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Ace, where did you find this ram ram?
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This is silly. Check out his posts on the Fordham board. Way too intune with Fordham football past and present to be an outsider.
That's correct, with a family member's plaque (a football hall of famer) adorning the wall in Lombardi Center, I am certainly no insider.

The only issue here is how does Fordham basketball become relevant gain. Sorry to say that odds are it won't happen at this level (in the A10), unless it becomes a shell of itself. The PL is a viable alternative, as unpalatable as it seems to many of us.

When football came back in 1965, those members of the student government, and Fr. McMahon, had no illusions that we were returning to IA. Then through Club, Div III and the lean years of the PL; the team made winning a priority, and our student athletes responded - on all three levels.

Time for basketball to do the same, find the correct venue and focus on winning; given the resources, recruiting ability and commitment that is feasible (at this time).

Calling me an IONA poster, etc... or questioning motives doesn't help the program. We need to start winning, not a series of high profile loses (next up ole' miss). No one cares that we are in the same conference with Butler - all they see is the boxscore, and it ain't pretty.
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Calling me an IONA poster, etc... or questioning motives doesn't help the program.
Neither do your rants.
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Re: Fordham & the A10 - question

From 1989-00 our football record was 25-99-1 and we did not have any winning seasons.

We started hoops in the A-10 in 95-96. We had our first .500 conference season in 05-06 at 8-8 and made the semifinals of the A-10 tournament. The next year 06-07 we had an overall record of 18-12, conference record of 10-6. That is the same time period as it took football to have a winning season. The problem is that Whittenburg failed to build on that season and basically had a mental break down. Pecora was left with an absolute disaster. He showed progress in win totals the last 2 years however, this year is a disappointment so far. There is still an entire conference season to play.

So when you look at the records football had an identical bad run as basketball and after Clawson left we had exactly 1 winning season and they count wins against DII and DIII schools in the final record. So this idea that we are this football power house is a total joke. This year we lost to every single scholarship program we played.

So enough with this great football team nonsense. We have been inept playing in one of the worst FCS conferences in the nation.
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P.S. our storied baseball program had to take a second seat to Football. Well that's what happens when you produce one of the most storied front 7s in the college game and perhaps the NFL's greatest coach. All due respect to Frankie Frisch.
That's the problem: baseball should have taken the third seat, behind second-seat football and first-seat men's basketball.

I'm not trying to insult Fordham; or say they should be kicked out of the league.

I'm saying that they need to win out of conference men's basketball games. And if they can't put up the committment necessary to accomplish that, then they should give serious consideration to seeking a conference of their peer institutions with like-minded goals; because the A-10 would not be their peer group.
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Calling me an IONA poster, etc... or questioning motives doesn't help the program.
If you were truly concerned with helping the program, you would not be posting your drivel here. That is undoubtedly not helping the program and can only hurt it (though I am not sure it is doing that either).
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Re: Fordham & the A10 - question

ram ram - Given that you've been following Fordham sports for so long and your obvious bias towards the football program, why did it take you so long to be vocal about our basketball program?

Also, you criticize posters waxing poetically about 1971 (the year of my birth) and Digger, but then throw out Lombardi and the 7 blocks like they are still relevant today? Pot meet kettle!!
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ram ram - Given that you've been following Fordham sports for so long and your obvious bias towards the football program, why did it take you so long to be vocal about our basketball program?

Also, you criticize posters waxing poetically about 1971 (the year of my birth) and Digger, but then throw out Lombardi and the 7 blocks like they are still relevant today? Pot meet kettle!!
ram ram is an Iona alum who is just trashing Fordham Basketball to further his agenda to push Iona as a "new A-10" member. I have this on good authority. Pay no attention. Not worth the effort.
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Re: Fordham & the A10 - question

Once again, A10 fans the argument always shifts away from our basketball program to our football program (and always omitting our 2 Championships and a playoff win in the identical time the basketball team has been in the A10 - and when we arguably have the worse facilities in the league). But we will put aside football for now, sorry bb fans, I know it gives you comfort, but let us ask objective round-ball fans these questions:

How many times have we made the tournament conference in 17 years?

How many post season appearances (and lets include the pay for play tournaments) in 17 years?

How many wins do we average a year in the A10 in the last 17?

Hasn't the administration responded to many of your requests, a high priced former NBA coach, home games in expensive venues, radio spots and games on the Yes TV network?

And what has been the result, a program that has proven it can not compete at this level. How many year after year experiences do logical people need before we realize that basketball at this level is an embarrassment to the University. Something has to change and I suspect it will, maybe not next year or the year after, but it will.

Let people think what they want of the messenger, but the truth speaks for itself. If this was a boxing match, it would have been stopped a few rounds ago.
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If you were truly concerned with helping the program, you would not be posting your drivel here. That is undoubtedly not helping the program and can only hurt it (though I am not sure it is doing that either).
If you recall I tried, but unfortunately thinking outside the court is not well received at other venues.
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If what you propose is your attempt at "thinking outside the court" then the consistent responses you have been receiving at multiple venues and from those both within and without the Fordham community should cause you to reconsider both the content of your message and the tone of its delivery.

Any college administration seriously committed to developing and maintaining a competitive Division 1 Mens' Basketball Ball program would understand that hiring an experienced coach, engaging in marketing of the program, playing in off-campus venues and putting its program on televison are not attempts to appease the team's fanbase, but the necessary staples of building and maintaining a successfull basketball program. Strangely, however, you failed to acknowledge the elephant in the room when it comes to Fordham Basketball: the RHG and the need to seriously upgrade our on-campus facilities. What has this Administration done to address this issue? Absolutely nothing. Frightening Glory McShane and Gray have made it crystal clear that nothing will be done to address this issue.

So please spare us your wikipedia knowledge of Fordham football and your statements of the obvious and tell us what is this Administration going to do regarding one of, if not the worst D1 basketball facilities in the nation?
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Re: Fordham & the A10 - question

ram ram annoys me as much as anyone but I'm interested to know the answer to the following question:

Does anyone actually believe Fordham will ever be successful in basketball as a member of the A10?
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