Game Thread: #14 Butler @ Dayton (Saturday 1/12/13)

[REF]

Originally Posted by MudFlap

"Officials whistled a flagrant foul on Derenbecker and initially some Flyers fans gave the refs the raspberries." - DDN

That is what struck me - the fans were booing the call 2x - when it was made; again when it was announced as a 'flagrant 1.' It was clearly flagrant and i'd agree it was probably a F2. For a fan base that pretends to be so good, its absurd to hear them gripe and boo when a guy gets hacked to the point of stretcher/MRI etc.

[FormerlyDawgsStudent]

Yes.... Because I deal in facts and realities and you deal in opinions. Again what I said was all true. If that is "absurd" to you, I am sorry you also live your life in denial. Great intelligent comeback.... People who respond "you will never get it" when asked to clarify their own ambiguous ad hominem arguments are frequently the ones who never get "it".

[FormerlyDawgsStudent]

Originally Posted by REF

That is what struck me - the fans were booing the call 2x - when it was made; again when it was announced as a 'flagrant 1.' It was clearly flagrant and i'd agree it was probably a F2. For a fan base that pretends to be so good, its absurd to hear them gripe and boo when a guy gets hacked to the point of stretcher/MRI etc.

+1

[spicebosh]

when is the last time UD won a meaningful a10 game?

[College Hoops]

Give Butler their due. They're a well coached team, and Stevens has brought in players who not only can play his system, but seem to embrace it. He certainly doesn't have a roster of five star bluechippers, but they play to their strengths.

I agree with ATF, Benson needs to come off the bench. Injuries have I am sure had an affect on his performance, but he is not strong enough and seems to make the same mistakes over and over. Robinson, Scott and Gavs should get more minutes. Love Oliver's hustle, defense and rebounding, but he is a real mason when he shoots from the field or the line. Pierre is going to be a very good player if he keeps working on his game. Dillard I think is trying to do too much.

[John P. Goochler]

Originally Posted by njlsufan

Aside from FormerDawgsStudent (or whatever his long name is) absurd posts, this has to be the funniest comment in the thread. How exactly does losing your star player (at an away game no less) allow you to take control of a game?

I don't understand your confusion. Are you arguing it is impossible for a team to take control of a game without their best player on the floor? That doesn't make much sense. The act itself of losing Clarke didn't allow Butler to take control of the game. The foul shots and possession of the ball really deflated the Flyers at that point and they never recovered. There are many turning points in games, I think that foul was the moment in that particular game where the Flyers' destiny was sealed. After the foul, the Bulldogs built their lead from 2 points to 8 going into the half. That is the lead they maintained for most of the remainder of the game.

By the way Adam The Flyer's points are exactly spot on. Bench Benson, it is our only hope.

[SingletofTruth]

Originally Posted by Muskeagle

I saw the replay. Hard foul. Flagrant foul. Unfortunate landing. Not a dirty play, imo. Awful break for Butler. I hope Clarke is back quickly and shows no lingering effects. In basketball, flagrant doesn't by definition mean dirty--sometimes it just means excessive. It was certainly a bad foul. Two shots and the ball. Derenbecker didn't need to be tossed nor does he need to be suspended, as someone has called for. He handled it correctly after the game as we went to the coach and asked him to give Clarke a message that he didn't mean to hurt him. That struck me as classy.

I think this summary pretty much nails it. Based on some quotes in the DDN, it sounds like Brad Stevens doesn't feel there was bad intent. Really glad to hear the kid is ok. He is fun to watch.

Regarding the game, it was pretty simple. The better team won. We got close, but Butler was too good and disciplined to let us truly threaten. They are old school. They killed us on so many in bounds plays. Dillard is pushing too much. The rest of our seniors are not getting done. Our freshman are showing some nice flashes. It will be an up and down year.

[AdamtheFlyer]

Originally Posted by REF

That is what struck me - the fans were booing the call 2x - when it was made; again when it was announced as a 'flagrant 1.' It was clearly flagrant and i'd agree it was probably a F2. For a fan base that pretends to be so good, its absurd to hear them gripe and boo when a guy gets hacked to the point of stretcher/MRI etc.

People in the arena don't have the benefit of slow motion replay on a play like that (NCAA discourages replays of injuries and potentially controversial calls inside the arena), and 80% of the arena is more than 50 feet from the play. From where I sat, at full speed, it looked like he got some ball up top with a lot of body contact. It was only after seeing highlights after the game that I could see the full impact of the play.

Once it became clear that Clarke was really hurt and not just shaking off a hard foul, the arena grew silent. And every person in the building gave him a standing ovation, because we appreciate hard play and never, ever want to see an injury. Spare me your shit.

[X-band '01]

Originally Posted by spicebosh

when is the last time UD won a meaningful a10 game?

They were the only other A-10 team to win at Temple last year for whatever it's worth.

[Title_BU]

Reading between the lines, it looks like they are targeting the Gonzaga game for Clarke based on Goodman's and Davis' updates.

No disrespect to Richmond, but Id imagine they think they'll be able to manage that one alright.

[TheCobra]

The foul/injury to Clarke was really unfortunate, and I hope he has a speedy and full recovery. I agree that Derenbecker went way too hard on that play.

UD is just not a very fundamentally sound team, and it really showed against an extremely sound team. Their seniors and supposed leaders try to make difficult plays instead of making the right play. Both lose their focus on defense more than anyone else on the team.

[Chetburger]

Originally Posted by spicebosh

when is the last time UD won a meaningful a10 game?

1/04/12 W Saint Louis 79-72 OT
1/07/12 W @Temple 87-77
1/21/12 W Xavier 87-72

[AdamtheFlyer]

Originally Posted by Chetburger

1/04/12 W Saint Louis 79-72 OT
1/07/12 W @Temple 87-77
1/21/12 W Xavier 87-72

Shh, don't ruin their narrative.

Everyone who follows Dayton knows they typically do pretty well in the big games. It's the others that lead to problems.

[MudFlap]

Originally Posted by SingletofTruth

They killed us on so many in bounds plays.

Stevens is the Master on In Bounds plays. Kept waiting for UD to stuff one but they never did. Ballgame.

[MudFlap]

Originally Posted by AdamtheFlyer

Shh, don't ruin their narrative.

Everyone who follows Dayton knows they typically do pretty well in the big games. It's the others that lead to problems.

Again, Would have to disagree. Big Game Wins are the ones that get you in the Dance. The rest are nice wins that didn't, and are immediately forgotten once you have qualified for the NCAA field. Dance and Advance. That is all.