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Old 02-12-2013, 11:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Atlantic 10 NCAA Units Analysis

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1 NCAA unit is given to the Atlantic 10 Conference based on each game played in the NCAA Tournament. A Unit gets paid to the conference throughout the following six seasons. The A-10 distributes the money based on the reported 75%-25% split, with the 75% going to the school that earned the unit.

Butler and VCU first receive payment based on units earned by the A-10 during the 2011-2012 NCAA Tournament.

Temple and Charlotte forfeit any units earned or still to be paid starting with the 2012-2013 NCAA Tournament.

Unit Values are as follows (a combination of estimates and reported figures) 2007 NCAAT: $190,000. 2008 NCAAT: $200,000. 2009 NCAAT: $210,000. 2010 NCAAT $222,206. 2011 NCAAT $239,664. 2012 NCAAT $258,502. These are annual installments paid every year for six years after the tournament.

2007 NCAA Tournament: Two A-10 schools made the Big Dance earning three units. GW earned 1 while Xavier earned 2. These would be paid out from the 2007-2008 seasons through the 2012-2013 season. GW earned $897,872 and Xavier earned $1,731,436 over the six year stretch. The 12 A-10 schools that missed the Tournament made $64,308 over the stretch, while VCU and Butler were given $9,500 each for the 2012-2013 season.

2008 NCAA Tournament: Three A-10 schools made the Big Dance earning six units. St Joes and Temple earned 1 while Xavier earned 4. These would be paid out from the 2008-2009 seasons through the 2013-2014 season. St. Joes earned $1,023,59, Xavier earned $3,657,436 and Temple earned $843,590 over the six year stretch. The 11 A-10 schools that missed the Tournament made $145,641 over the stretch, while VCU and Butler were given $53,333 each for the 2012-2014 seasons. Charlotte forfeited $20,000 and Temple forfeited $166,667 for leaving the conference that was distributed to the remaining 14 schools and is already reflected in the above numbers.

2009 NCAA Tournament: Three A-10 schools made the Big Dance earning six units. Temple earned 1, Dayton earned 2, while Xavier earned 3. These would be paid out from the 2009-2010 seasons through the 2014-2015 season. Dayton earned $2,008,462, Xavier earned $2,930,846 and Temple earned $708,077 over the six year stretch. The 11 A-10 schools that missed the Tournament made $163,692 over the stretch, while VCU and Butler were given $91,000 each for their three seasons. Charlotte forfeited $42,000 and Temple forfeited $350,000 for leaving the conference that was distributed to the remaining 14 schools and is already reflected in the above numbers.

2010 NCAA Tournament: Three A-10 schools made the Big Dance earning five units. Temple earned 1, Richmond earned 1, while Xavier earned 3. These would be paid out from the 2010-2011 seasons through the 2015-2016 season. Richmond earned $1,136,221, Xavier earned $3,089,355 and Temple earned $548,963 over the six year stretch. The 11 A-10 schools that missed the Tournament made $159,655 over the stretch, while VCU and Butler were allocated $116,923 based on 4 seasons. Charlotte forfeited $55,551 and Temple forfeited $544,404 for leaving the conference that was distributed to the remaining 14 schools and is already reflected in the above numbers.

2011 NCAA Tournament: Three A-10 schools made the Big Dance earning six units. Temple earned 2, Richmond earned 3, while Xavier earned 1. These would be paid out from the 2011-2012 seasons through the 2016-2017 season. Richmond earned $3,423,332, Xavier earned $1,315,518 and Temple earned $753,405 over the six year stretch. The 11 A-10 schools that missed the Tournament made $261,611 over the stretch, while VCU and Butler were allocated $233,958 based on 5 seasons. Charlotte forfeited $95,866 and Temple forfeited $1,501,894 for leaving the conference that was distributed to the remaining 14 schools and is already reflected in the above numbers.

2012 NCAA Tournament: Four A-10 schools made the Big Dance earning seven units. Temple and St. Bonaventure earned 1, St. Louis earned 2, while Xavier earned 3. These would be paid out from the 2012-2013 seasons through the 2017-2018 season. St. Bonaventure earned $1,407,605, St. Louis earned $2,545014, Xavier earned $3,682,518 and Temple earned $219,727 over the six year stretch. The 10 A-10 schools that missed the Tournament made $270,196 over the stretch, while VCU and Butler were also allocated $270,196 based on a full six seasons. Charlotte forfeited $150,793 and Temple forfeited $1,098,634 for leaving the conference that was distributed to the remaining 14 schools and is already reflected in the above numbers.

Charlotte is giving up a total of ~$370,000 for leaving the A-10 while Temple is giving up ~$3,700,000.

If Xavier were leaves after the 2013-2014 season it will forfeit ~$4.7 million in NCAA unit money plus whatever it is allocated for this season which will be distributed among whoever is left in the A-10.

If any of the assumptions are wrong or if you know of better numbers for unit values, please let me know.
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Interesting stuff to see how much each school is earning each year in the tournament and how much they will be losing for leaving. Xavier sure would be giving up a large chunk of money from NCAA units if they leave but assuming they make ~3 million from TV they will make that up quickly.
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Re: Atlantic 10 NCAA Units

Thank you for your insights. For the remedial reader and math student, would one add the number for their school for each year and divide by 6 to know how much their school is earning this year?

For instance, Richmond would have:

2007 - $ 64,308
2008 - $ 145,641
2009 - $ 163,692
2010 - $1,136,211
2011 - $3,423,222
2012 - $ 270,196

Total= $5,203,270 / 6 years = $867,211.66 this year?

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Thanks for your well thought out post, it was very insightful. I'd be curious to know what each school does with the money it receives? Are there stipulations on what the money can be spent on (ie. is it only sports related, does the money have to be shared between different sports the school offers, women's sports etc.).
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This is what will make the schools that do stay in the A-10 a lot of money...

Like you mentioned schools that want to leave better than a large income source coming their way...
Naturally the schools who benefit are the schools that stay. If the Catholic 7 take 3 from the A-10 this will be huge for the conference on a couple of accounts:

1) If it is Butler, Xavier and Dayton/Richmond that goes (since the C7 want to get to 10 schools), then only 1 team from the current 4-5 teams projected to receive bids that actually leaves. This still keeps the A-10 fairly deep with 4-5 teams in the top 100 and a lot of cash coming towards via the NCAA units. This doesn't include the schools that they could recruit in that would be top-100 programs that could want the cash.

2) Temple and Charlotte leaving will lose possibly another NCAA team this year but naturally that cash will be spread out among the other programs for future years. This point will be relevant if Temple makes the dance.

In total, like the poster says, a lot of cash is going to be in the coffers for the remaining schools that should only help their programs. More likely, this cash will probably be used to lure schools over to the new conference which could keep the conference at 6-7 top 100 teams. Naturally, the large television landscape will also lure the schools dramatically.
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Thank you for your insights. For the remedial reader and math student, would one add the number for their school for each year and divide by 6 to know how much their school is earning this year?

For instance, Richmond would have:

2007 - $ 64,308
2008 - $ 145,641
2009 - $ 163,692
2010 - $1,136,211
2011 - $3,423,222
2012 - $ 270,196

Total= $5,203,270 / 6 years = $867,211.66 this year?

PS to Xavier fans - your "Thank You" note and fruit basket are in the mail.
Cheap bastard. At least you could spring for FedEx overnight AM delivery, given that you're sending us a fruit basket.
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Thank you for your insights. For the remedial reader and math student, would one add the number for their school for each year and divide by 6 to know how much their school is earning this year?

For instance, Richmond would have:

2007 - $ 64,308
2008 - $ 145,641
2009 - $ 163,692
2010 - $1,136,211
2011 - $3,423,222
2012 - $ 270,196

Total= $5,203,270 / 6 years = $867,211.66 this year?

PS to Xavier fans - your "Thank You" note and fruit basket are in the mail.
Signed by the Fordham AD, I'm sure.
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$500 mill and strolling down to Cintas to take in the Georgetown - Marquette - 'Nova - Butler - VCU game against X probably a decent trade-off. Oh, and the new NCAA units.

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The A10 was getting multiple bids long before Xavier joined and will continue to do so should they leave.
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NCAA Units are a huge factor in realignment that is often overlooked. To use a slightly hyperbolic example, if St. Louis were to make the Final Four this year and promptly get an invite to the new conference, they would likely have to forfeit more than $7.0 million over the 5 seasons that would remain after next season.

Their share of a $500 million TV contract is all of the sudden needing to offset a lot of NCAA unit forfeited revenue as well as their exit fee. If that $500 million number is more like $350 million and there is any truth to the rumor that the C7 schools want a lopsided percentage then taking the invite becomes a much trickier decision.
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Thank you for your insights. For the remedial reader and math student, would one add the number for their school for each year and divide by 6 to know how much their school is earning this year?

For instance, Richmond would have:

2007 - $ 64,308
2008 - $ 145,641
2009 - $ 163,692
2010 - $1,136,211
2011 - $3,423,222
2012 - $ 270,196

Total= $5,203,270 / 6 years = $867,211.66 this year?

PS to Xavier fans - your "Thank You" note and fruit basket are in the mail.
That will get you pretty close and I had to make some assumptions anyway, but the numbers roll. So the past 6 Tournaments make up the 2012-2013 number. For example money from each NCAAT paid to Richmond in the 2012-2013 payout:

2007: $9,500
2008: $20,000
2009: $21,000
2010: $181,468
2011: $551,227
2012: $30,159

Payments become more lucrative next season when they are divided only 14 ways and disributing Temple's units.
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GW will take a significant revenue hit next season because their units for making the 2007 Big Dance will have been fully paid out over the last six seasons.
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NCAA Units are a huge factor in realignment that is often overlooked. To use a slightly hyperbolic example, if St. Louis were to make the Final Four this year and promptly get an invite to the new conference, they would likely have to forfeit more than $7.0 million over the 5 seasons that would remain after next season.

Their share of a $500 million TV contract is all of the sudden needing to offset a lot of NCAA unit forfeited revenue as well as their exit fee. If that $500 million number is more like $350 million and there is any truth to the rumor that the C7 schools want a lopsided percentage then taking the invite becomes a much trickier decision.
I think two things have come out since initial reports were made that are more than likely closer to being true.

1) The number will not be 500M, but it will actually be closer to 30M to 40M per year based on either 10 or 12 teams.
2) The original seven are not asking for a lopsided amount of money.

That means each school should receive around 3 million a year.

What's more interesting if true, is that Fox contacted the C7 schools months before they decided to split. I think they promised them this money to help push them out the door.
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The A10 was getting multiple bids long before Xavier joined and will continue to do so should they leave.
Bill, I tend to agree with you. It's interesting however that in the last 6 years noted above, of the 18 league bids, 14 of them went to teams projected or known to be leaving the conference.
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