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GoMuskies · 03-07-2013, 07:46 AM

What I really like: each of the "contenders" for 13th controls its own Tournament destiny. Win, and they're in.

e-parade · 03-07-2013, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by X-band '01

Here are some best and worst case scenarios right now:

UMass
Best case: Clinch #5 seed with wins over Butler and URI AND Temple loses to VCU AND Xavier loses to Butler (forces a 3-way tie with Temple and Butler and assumes Saint Louis clinches #1 seed)
Worst case: Clinch #9 seed with losses to Butler and URI AND finishes in 6-way tie with Dayton, St. Bona, Charlotte, Richmond and Saint Joe's

Would it be any different in the standings if Xavier beat Butler? There would still be a 3-way tie with 1-1 records, and I'm not quite sure how the tie-breakers work out.

urmite · 03-07-2013, 09:38 AM

I don't think we affect UD's worst case.

If GW 6-10 they are 13, if not but Charlotte is 7-9 they are 13, if neither then

Only UD & GW 7-9 UD is 13,
if UD, UR & GW are 7-9 UD is still 13

Only UD, SBU & GW 7-9 SBU is 13,
if UD, UR, SBU & GW 7-9 SBU is still 13

__________________________________________________ _______

Charlotte has no wins against GW, UD, SBU, & UR (but beat XU, BU, UMass & LaSalle?)

SBU beat Charlotte and loss to UD, UR & GW (but beat SJU, TU & Umass?)

Gormin71 · 03-07-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by urmite

I don't think we affect UD's worst case.

If GW 6-10 they are 13, if not but Charlotte is 7-9 they are 13, if neither then

Only UD & GW 7-9 UD is 13,
if UD, UR & GW are 7-9 UD is still 13

Only UD, SBU & GW 7-9 SBU is 13,
if UD, UR, SBU & GW 7-9 SBU is still 13

__________________________________________________ _______

Charlotte has no wins against GW, UD, SBU, & UR (but beat XU, BU, UMass & LaSalle?)

SBU beat Charlotte and loss to UD, UR & GW (but beat SJU, TU & Umass?)

Yup, for UD to miss the A10, UD needs to lose, and SBU and Charlotte win. Damn Richmond for beating VCU!

**xu95** · 03-07-2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by e-parade

Would it be any different in the standings if Xavier beat Butler? There would still be a 3-way tie with 1-1 records, and I'm not quite sure how the tie-breakers work out.

Here is what Xavier's stats guy came up with for the top teams.

Xavier must beat Butler Saturday, and VCU must beat Temple Sunday. If that all plays out, there will be a three-way tie with Butler, Temple and Xavier, and the Musketeers would win with the best record against the others.

Saint Louis – Currently the top seed. Can solidify No. 1 seed with a win over La Salle or a loss by VCU.

VCU – Currently the No. 2 seed. Can claim No. 1 seed with win over Temple and loss by Saint Louis. A Saint Louis win would give them the No. 2 seed whether they win or lose. A loss by VCU and a La Salle win (over SLU) would create three-way tie, with La Salle getting the No. 1 seed, SLU getting the No. 2 seed and VCU the No. 3 seed.

La Salle – Currently the No. 3 seed. Can claim No. 1 seed with win over Saint Louis and VCU loss. Can claim the No. 2 seed with a Saint Louis win and VCU win. (VCU to No. 1 seed, St. Louis to No. 3 seed.) A loss to Saint Louis and wins by Temple and two wins by Butler creates three-way tie. All three split with the other two, so it would go to record against best common opponents. If SLU won the A10, Temple would get the No. 3 seed, La Salle the 4 and Butler the 5. If VCU won the A10, La Salle would be the No. 3 seed, Temple the No. 4 seed and Butler the No. 5 seed. If La Salle loses and is tied with Butler only, La Salle would be the No. 3 seed, Butler the No. 4 seed. If La Salle loses and is tied with Temple only, Temple is the No. 3 seed and La Salle the No. 4 seed.

Temple – Currently the No. 4 seed. If Butler wins tonight, would drop to No. 5 seed. Can still claim No. 3 seed (see scenarios with La Salle). Need to beat VCU and have Butler lose to claim at least the No. 4 seed. A VCU win and Butler win would give Butler the No. 4 seed, Temple the No. 5 seed.

Butler – Currently the No. 5 seed. If Butler loses to UMass tonight would drop to No. 7 seed, with UMass going to 5 and Xavier holding at 6. Could still get the 4 seed with a win over Xavier, a Temple loss and a UMass loss to Rhode Island.

UMass – Currently the No. 6 seed. Even if they win out and tie Temple, they cannot claim the 4 seed. They lose head-to-head with Temple, and in three-way ties with Temple and either Butler or Xavier.

twisted3829 · 03-07-2013, 10:12 AM

SLU can only get the top spot with a win, if they lose they will not be #1, if they lose and vcu wins they are #3, if they lose and vcu loses they are #2 (La Salle gets 1 and VCU 3)

e-parade · 03-07-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by xu95

Here is what Xavier's stats guy came up with for the top teams.

Xavier must beat Butler Saturday, and VCU must beat Temple Sunday. If that all plays out, there will be a three-way tie with Butler, Temple and Xavier, and the Musketeers would win with the best record against the others.

Saint Louis – Currently the top seed. Can solidify No. 1 seed with a win over La Salle or a loss by VCU.

VCU – Currently the No. 2 seed. Can claim No. 1 seed with win over Temple and loss by Saint Louis. A Saint Louis win would give them the No. 2 seed whether they win or lose. A loss by VCU and a La Salle win (over SLU) would create three-way tie, with La Salle getting the No. 1 seed, SLU getting the No. 2 seed and VCU the No. 3 seed.

La Salle – Currently the No. 3 seed. Can claim No. 1 seed with win over Saint Louis and VCU loss. Can claim the No. 2 seed with a Saint Louis win and VCU win. (VCU to No. 1 seed, St. Louis to No. 3 seed.) A loss to Saint Louis and wins by Temple and two wins by Butler creates three-way tie. All three split with the other two, so it would go to record against best common opponents. If SLU won the A10, Temple would get the No. 3 seed, La Salle the 4 and Butler the 5. If VCU won the A10, La Salle would be the No. 3 seed, Temple the No. 4 seed and Butler the No. 5 seed. If La Salle loses and is tied with Butler only, La Salle would be the No. 3 seed, Butler the No. 4 seed. If La Salle loses and is tied with Temple only, Temple is the No. 3 seed and La Salle the No. 4 seed.

Temple – Currently the No. 4 seed. If Butler wins tonight, would drop to No. 5 seed. Can still claim No. 3 seed (see scenarios with La Salle). Need to beat VCU and have Butler lose to claim at least the No. 4 seed. A VCU win and Butler win would give Butler the No. 4 seed, Temple the No. 5 seed.

Butler – Currently the No. 5 seed. If Butler loses to UMass tonight would drop to No. 7 seed, with UMass going to 5 and Xavier holding at 6. Could still get the 4 seed with a win over Xavier, a Temple loss and a UMass loss to Rhode Island.

UMass – Currently the No. 6 seed. Even if they win out and tie Temple, they cannot claim the 4 seed. They lose head-to-head with Temple, and in three-way ties with Temple and either Butler or Xavier.

Well, if UMass wins out, and Temple does not lose...UMass gets the 5 seed. They'd be tied with either X or Butler with wins over both. If there's a 3-way tie between X, Temple, and UMass, who gets the 5 seed?

That's what I was thinking. The "best case" was very specific for UMass (and left out being able to get the 5 seed by winning out if Temple wins), so I want to find out if there was a way UMass didn't get the 5 seed if they won out. The only one I'm unsure of is the X/Temple/UMass one.

twisted3829 · 03-07-2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by e-parade

Well, if UMass wins out, and Temple does not lose...UMass gets the 5 seed. They'd be tied with either X or Butler with wins over both. If there's a 3-way tie between X, Temple, and UMass, who gets the 5 seed?

That's what I was thinking. The "best case" was very specific for UMass (and left out being able to get the 5 seed by winning out if Temple wins), so I want to find out if there was a way UMass didn't get the 5 seed if they won out. The only one I'm unsure of is the X/Temple/UMass one.

there are so many possibilities for teams sitting 3 through 13 right now it's almost impossible to list them all, i will try to keep things updated as much as possible saturday but could be tough with going to the URI game.

Also some things could clear up tonight but I doubt it

A10fan2 · 03-07-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by e-parade

The only one I'm unsure of is the X/Temple/UMass one.

If X, Tem and UMass are tied for a spot they would all be 1-1 against each other. So we go to record against the best team in the conference and work down. We don't know how #1-3 will break down yet, but it doesn't matter. LS lost to all 3 teams, VCU beat all 3 teams, but SLU beat Umass while losing to X and Temple. X and Temple gain the advantage and revert back to H2H where X gets the spot.

twisted3829 · 03-07-2013, 02:44 PM

also if 2 teams are tied they are looked at together, they go by record(at least I think they do)

e-parade · 03-07-2013, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by A10fan2

If X, Tem and UMass are tied for a spot they would all be 1-1 against each other. So we go to record against the best team in the conference and work down. We don't know how #1-3 will break down yet, but it doesn't matter. LS lost to all 3 teams, VCU beat all 3 teams, but SLU beat Umass while losing to X and Temple. X and Temple gain the advantage and revert back to H2H where X gets the spot.

Thanks, that's what I was looking for.

twisted3829 · 03-07-2013, 06:14 PM

Through 3/7

First Round Bye:
1. Saint Louis 12-3* (vs LSU)
2. Virginia Commonwealth 12-3 (@Temple)
3. La Salle 11-4 (@SLU)
4. Butler 10-5^ (vs X)

Opening Round Games:
5. Temple 10-5 (vs VCU)
6. Xavier 9-6 (@BU)
7. Massachusetts 8-7$ (@URI)
8. Saint Joseph's 8-7 (@Char)
9. Dayton 7-8### (@GW)
10. Richmond 7-8## (vs Duq)
11. St. Bonaventure 7-8# (vs Ford)
12. Charlotte 7-8 (vs SJU)

Going Home Early:
13. George Washington 6-9 (vs UD)
14. Rhode Island 3-12 (vs Umass)
15. Fordham 2-13 (@SBU)
16. Duquesne 1-14 (@Rich)

*beat VCU head to head
^beat Temple head to head
$beat St Joe's head to head
### based on 3-0 against other 7-8 teams
## based on 2-1 against other 7-8 teams
# based on 1-2 against other 7-8 teams (Charlotte 0-3)

twisted3829 · 03-07-2013, 06:23 PM

I believe La Salle has secured a bye in the tourney now, the worst they could do is be in a 3 way tie for 3rd. If that's the case La Salle, Temple and Butler are all 1-1 against each other. SLU would win the league outright and Temple would get 3rd (1-0 against SLU), La Salle would get 4th (0-1 against SLU) and Butler would get 5th (0-2 against SLU)

paulxu · 03-07-2013, 07:39 PM

6 teams that are 7-8 or 8-7 is nuts.

twisted3829 · 03-07-2013, 07:47 PM

7 through 13 could be crazy

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urmite Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 148 Rep Power: 18365	Re: If the season ended today (Updated through games of 3/6) I don't think we affect UD's worst case. If GW 6-10 they are 13, if not but Charlotte is 7-9 they are 13, if neither then Only UD & GW 7-9 UD is 13, if UD, UR & GW are 7-9 UD is still 13 Only UD, SBU & GW 7-9 SBU is 13, if UD, UR, SBU & GW 7-9 SBU is still 13 __________________________________________________ _______ Charlotte has no wins against GW, UD, SBU, & UR (but beat XU, BU, UMass & LaSalle?) SBU beat Charlotte and loss to UD, UR & GW (but beat SJU, TU & Umass?)

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twisted3829 Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 1,452 Rep Power: 32152	Re: If the season ended today (Updated through games of 3/6) Through 3/7 First Round Bye: 1. Saint Louis 12-3* (vs LSU) 2. Virginia Commonwealth 12-3 (@Temple) 3. La Salle 11-4 (@SLU) 4. Butler 10-5^ (vs X) Opening Round Games: 5. Temple 10-5 (vs VCU) 6. Xavier 9-6 (@BU) 7. Massachusetts 8-7$ (@URI) 8. Saint Joseph's 8-7 (@Char) 9. Dayton 7-8### (@GW) 10. Richmond 7-8## (vs Duq) 11. St. Bonaventure 7-8# (vs Ford) 12. Charlotte 7-8 (vs SJU) Going Home Early: 13. George Washington 6-9 (vs UD) 14. Rhode Island 3-12 (vs Umass) 15. Fordham 2-13 (@SBU) 16. Duquesne 1-14 (@Rich) beat VCU head to head ^beat Temple head to head $beat St Joe's head to head ### based on 3-0 against other 7-8 teams ## based on 2-1 against other 7-8 teams # based on 1-2 against other 7-8 teams (Charlotte 0-3) __________________ 2010-2011 Lock of the Day Contest NIT Champion*

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