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Old 02-16-2013, 08:05 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: C-7 to be 12 to 14 teams?

If I were a Dayton fan (happily I am not), I would be very nervous about things. I could very well see another Great Midwest/CUSA scenario where the Flyers are once again left behind. While Dayton has great facilities and a very strong following/attendance record, there are some issues which might override them. Dayton is not a particularly large tv market. It is also right between the much larger markets of Cincinnati (Xavier) and Indianapolis (Butler). Would a league being put togther for tv which will cover a large area want a small market and three schools in such close proximity? Furthermore, Dayton does not have much NCAA history in the last 20 years. They have but 4 NCAA appearances in that span and only one NCAA win (even URI's NCAA resume during this time is far better). I therefore am beginning to think that Dayton being a no-brainer to be included in the Catholic CYO league is not so. The selection of the more attractive (market wise and NCAA success) pair of Butler and Xavier could keep the Flyers out.
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:13 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Re: C-7 to be 12 to 14 teams?

I was pretty sure that UD was in, but now that Muddy has posted a zero chance they will be left out, will have to reconsider. He's never right about anything.
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Re: C-7 to be 12 to 14 teams?

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xavierhoops - the only place a 10-team 'Catholic' conference is still being mentioned is on the Musketeer Madness MB.

If you disagree, post a link to a recently-published article from a reputable source stating that a 10-team confenence is still being considered by Fox Sports. You can't, because there is none.

Andy Katz on Tuesday talked about the 10 team possibility of the new league. No mention of 14, and it definitely sounded like going to 12 was questionable. Of course, his source was Mike Bobinski, so the Katz-Bobinski combination probably does not qualify as reputable.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...the-big-east-7
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Re: C-7 to be 12 to 14 teams?

The source of the original article, Brett McMurphy, is ESPN's college FOOTBALL writer. He writes exclusively on college football and has been adding occasional blog posts on this only as it pertains to Big East FOOTBALL and how the breakup of basketball effects the remaining football schools. He really has no close sources on college basketball and uses what the other ESPN writers (like Katz) tells him about the C7.

So take anything written there with a big pile of salt.
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Re: C-7 to be 12 to 14 teams?

Has there been anyone besides McMurphy saying 14 memebers? I haven't seen anything at all like that.
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- what is Xavier's record in the past six seasons against teams from BCS conferences?
In the last 6 seasons, Xavier has been to the NCAA's 6 times, with 3 Sweet16's and 1 Elite8.

Dayton has gone one season.

I'll give you 3 guesses which is more important in being considered for a new conference affiliation.
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Andy Katz on Tuesday talked about the 10 team possibility of the new league.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...the-big-east-7
That's not actually what Andy Katz wrote on February 12th, and this information from ESPN is more recent:

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Sources: ESPN Has One Week to Act (Brett McMurphy, ESPN - updated Feb. 15, 2013)

"The new league, yet to be formed, is expected to have 12-to-14 members.

The most likely candidates to join the Catholic schools, sources have told ESPN, are Butler, Xavier, Creighton, Dayton, Saint Louis, Richmond, and VCU."
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Dillard Leads Dayton Past Alabama 81-76 (AP/Yahoo! - December 6, 2012)
It was the seventh straight win against SEC opponents for the Flyers (6-2), who improved to 19-8 in the past six seasons against teams from BCS conferences.
xavierhoops - what is Xavier's record in the past six seasons against teams from BCS conferences?
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I think Xavier is 32-16 vs BCS teams over the past 6 years.
Think again. Xavier is 27-19 vs BCS teams over the past 6 years.


Xavier vs. BCS teams:

2007-08 season: 8-3

2008-09 season: 6-2

2009-10 season: 4-5

2010-11 season: 3-3

2011-12 season: 5-2

2012-13 season: 1-4

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That's not actually what Andy Katz wrote on February 12th, and this information from ESPN is more recent:

Wow, you're ridiculous.

Here's what Katz wrote:

"Xavier and Butler are expected to be first up on the docket to join Georgetown, Marquette, DePaul, St. John's, Villanova, Seton Hall and Providence -- with the choice for a 10th or possibly 11th or 12th coming from a pool of Creighton (MVC), Dayton, Richmond, VCU and Saint Louis (all A-10)."

So clearly he is saying that it could be 10 "OR POSSIBLY" 12.

I understand the McMurphy article is more "recent." I'll ask you again: Can you find a single other article from a reputable source that mentions 14 teams? I can't. If you want to put all your eggs in that one article, that's fine. But I think that is certainly the outlier.
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Re: C-7 to be 12 to 14 teams?

And if you can't see that Katz is saying it the possibilities are a ten-team or twelve-team league, I don't know what to tell you. In the future, I'd ask that you not misrepresent my posts--or for that matter, articles to which I am linking--on the message board.
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That's not actually what Andy Katz wrote on February 12th, and this information from ESPN is more recent:
Can you not read?

And I quote... "Xavier and Butler are expected to be first up on the docket to join Georgetown, Marquette, DePaul, St. John's, Villanova, Seton Hall and Providence -- with the choice for a 10th or possibly 11th or 12th coming from a pool of Creighton (MVC), Dayton, Richmond, VCU and Saint Louis (all A-10)."

Yes Muddy, the only talk of a 10 team league is on the Xavier message board.
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Re: C-7 to be 12 to 14 teams?

I didn't realize Conference USA was now a BCS league. Congrats to them! I'll be sure to let the Memphis folks know when they come to town.

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I didn't realize Conference USA was now a BCS league. Congrats to them! I'll be sure to let the Memphis folks know when they come to town.
Lol. Muddy already edited to take out his reference to the upcoming game against #22 Memphis.
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Think again. Xavier is 27-19 vs BCS teams over the past 6 years.


Xavier vs. BCS teams:

2007-08 season: 8-3

2008-09 season: 6-2

2009-10 season: 4-5

2010-11 season: 3-3

2011-12 season: 5-2

2012-13 season: 1-4
I know you are pretending this season is already over, Muddy. But when you asked for the "past 6 seasons" I assume you meant the past 6 seasons. We are still currently in the midst of the 2012-13 season.

Could you explain to me again the relevance of BCS record? I stated I do not understand how UD fans think UD can compete with the big dogs in the BE7+Xavier and Butler (all non-BCS schools) if they can't even compete in the A-10... and you respond with records of BCS conferences as if that is relevant?

Regardless, Xavier is 33-20 over teams from BCS football conferences over the past 6 years and this current season thus far.

As I and Paulxu noted, Xavier has also made 6 NCAA tournament appearances, 2 Sweet 16's and 1 Elite 8 in the past 6 seasons.
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Re: C-7 to be 12 to 14 teams?

To be fair to McMurphy, he is the conference realignment guru. If there's any writer out there that I trust on their rumors about this, it's him. He's got a really good track record.

Though I do prefer a 10 team league, then 12, then 14. If it's 14, at that point you have to consider Gonzaga. I just don't think the league gets that high. At least not initially.
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