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letsgogdub · 02-19-2013, 05:25 PM

Can I play?

1)George Mason
2)Boston U.
3)Drexel
4)Detroit (But we're staying on the East Coast now, right?)
5)Davidson
6)College of Charleston

Wildcard: James Madison (two presidents!)

And question: Is William & Mary out because of football?
(At least google their arena.)

Also, I think we should get back to 14. I think there is strength in numbers.

...Fire away.

ace93 · 02-19-2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Eight Legger

Towson and Richmond (and URI for that matter) play in the CAA for football, so we've faced them a bunch. They got better in recent years but I don't think they are harboring FBS dreams, though I could be wrong. So I don't think football would preclude them from being considered for the new A-10.

They just cut a few sports recently, effective next season I believe so I agree that FBS would not be happening anytime soon if ever.

z8-Minutemen · 02-19-2013, 07:08 PM

Z8's Top 6 (with reasons why):

1. Northeastern. Top CAA basketball program. Provides and maintains the Boston market once UMass leaves for football. Academic prestige. Plus, joining this league will bring a lot more fans into the Historic Matthews Arena (oldest in the country). Not to mention, Bill Coen will be a top 3 coach in the A-10.

2. Wichita State. Not much more to say. Provides us with the midwest market once STL, X, and Butler leave.

3. Jacksonville. This is a program down in the dumps, but did you know that they have a 15,000 seat arena? The A-10 will give them a much needed recruiting boost, and given it's location in a hotbed of basketball talent, within a few years they could be a quality program. Not to mention it gives the A-10 the Florida marktet, in another metropolitan area. For those who consider Siena a quality option, look here, this is even better. And they jump at the chance to join the A-10.

4. Belmont. Another cog in the midwest market, giving us the Nashville metropolitan area. Program on the rise. Good fan support.

5. Bucknell. Bball team on the rise. Great fan support. Academic prestige. Not a good market though...

6. Iona. Same as Bucknell.

I am assuming that five schools leave the A-10, those being STL, Butler, X, Dayton, and Richmond. To replace those 5, I would pick my top 5 from that list. We will also lose Charlotte and Temple, so we would be left with 14 after that. I am also a firm believer that the A-10 should be 10 teams. I would also like to keep those 5. The necessary cuts would be Fordham, St. Bonaventure, Duquesne, and La Salle.

That would leave us with a basketball conference consisting of:

UMass
URI
VCU
George Washington
St. Joseph's
Northeastern
Wichita State
Jacksonville
Belmont
Bucknell

That conference gives us quality basketball, academic prestige, and fan support. All equaling more money. Idk about you, but I think that sounds real good.

Bill Russell · 02-19-2013, 07:28 PM

I guess I don't mind going back to 14, but it shouldn't be done all at once. Assuming four or five (or six?) A10 schools leave, there would be a nice chunk of NCAA unit change left over. Fewer members=larger slice.

steve19981 · 02-19-2013, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letsgogdub

Can I play?

1)George Mason
2)Boston U.
3)Drexel
4)Detroit (But we're staying on the East Coast now, right?)
5)Davidson
6)College of Charleston

Wildcard: James Madison (two presidents!)

And question: Is William & Mary out because of football?
(At least google their arena.)

Also, I think we should get back to 14. I think there is strength in numbers.

...Fire away.

I'll play too.

1) Belmont
2) George Mason
3) Murray St
4) Boston U
5) Detroit
6) Davidson
7) Stony Brook/Towson
8) Cleveland St
9) Delaware
10) MAAC pick 'em

At the moment, it's difficult to find the right combination of brand, market, facilities, fit, tradition and competitive enhancement of the league. No one the A-10 adds will have it all. Belmont comes the closest, even if they're outside of the footprint. Mason duplicates a market but would still be a good option with its brand, facilities and fan support. Murray St has been consistent, has a nice following but is in the middle of no where. BU has a huge athletic department, great market, but don't do much to enhance the league's image competitively. Detroit and Davidson have had plenty of recent success, but both schools are tiny.I have concerns with how well they can sustain their success. Stony Brook and Towson both go in the same category of teams with aggressive athletic departments ready to grow into the league. Both of these schools would appeal more to the long term investors rather than the day trader types. Cleveland St now requires their students to be able to read which is a huge step forward for them academically. They've had a pretty stable men's and women's basketball program for a while and Cleveland is a good sports market. I'd love to see what Delaware could become in a more interesting basketball situation. Even in a watered down A-10 I would think that would be as big a deal to their loyal fans as CAA football, right? 10 could be anyone from the MAAC. If we have to sink that far, who cares! Not a big fan of adding Drexel or Charleston as some are.

Still, I'm an advocate of the A-10 getting to ten teams and staying there for a couple of years before adding two and then another two right before the TV deal expires. I'm also against contracting the teams we already have because the even the bad teams in the league currently add more than a lot of the teams on that list. If the A-10 was going to kick Fordham, Lasalle, Bona and us out, it should have happened years ago.

bprichard · 02-19-2013, 09:29 PM

Urg. With teams like those, the A10 could command a new television contract in the high four digits!

UMass87 · 02-19-2013, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Russell

I doubt you'll see SBU pushing for Siena to join the A10. They're very similar as Franciscan schools and Bona won't want the competition from an upstate rival (especially one in the capital region). ...

Living on Tobacco Road but being from New England this mental midget attitude of the Northeast drives me batty. THe schools in the northeast continually f#ck themselves over with this attitude which is part of the reason why college sports are so weak there.

Huskyman · 02-20-2013, 05:49 AM

Why all the discussion about BU, but not Northeastern? Their basketball budgets are the same at $2.1M. NU would have the 3rd largest total athletic budget in the A-10 at $22M. Northeastern plays at the oldest arena in the world (old home of Celtics and Bruins), and BU with the exception of one game plays at Case Gym which has a capacity of 1800. Of course BU could play future games at Agganis which fits a couple hundred more than Matthews (6k), but that does not make a whole lot of sense since BU is currently drawing an average of 650 per game, NU draws almost 2000. Right now NU leads a terrible CAA, but has finished under .500 only once in the CAA since it joined. The league wasnt always as terrible as it is now. America East on the other hand has been consistently terrible and BU has only managed to win it once in the last 10 years. I dont think either school commands any more of the media market than the other (they both command little), but it is a very nice media market. Academically they are separated by 4 spots in USNews, but Northeastern's SAT scores are over 100 points better than BU's and that gap is growing. Both schools are currently going through a $1B capital campaign. BU is building a new field for field hockey and adding a lacrosse team. NU is going to be building a new basketball/volleyball practice facility, a baseball pavilion, and more rowing training facilities. I am not suggesting that either school should be the pick of the league, but I do think they should be near each other on any list whether it be at the top or the bottom.

Deleo · 02-20-2013, 07:59 AM

A10 North
URI
LaSalle
St. Joe's
Duquesne
Fordham
Bonnie's

A10 South
VCU
GW
GMU
Belmont
Davidson
Charleston

I'm assuming Richmond gets an invite to the C7 and UMass leaves for football. I am not seeing any schools in the northeast that are worth an invite. Northeastern and BU are in the Boston market, but that is about it. It would be like adding another Fordham, and we see how well that has gone. Even with the line-up above, the A10 is going to have a hard time holding itself together. If a couple more teams head to other conferences, it may be fatal.

SBUfan · 02-20-2013, 08:22 AM

The A-10 will not kick anybody out.

xudash · 02-20-2013, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UMass87

Living on Tobacco Road but being from New England this mental midget attitude of the Northeast drives me batty. THe schools in the northeast continually f#ck themselves over with this attitude which is part of the reason why college sports are so weak there.

Excellent point.

Concentration can be a very good thing. It's like all those car dealers you see on a single street. It's like when a new CVS pops up next to a new Walgreens, etc.

In basketball's case, you create a shot at developing local rivalries and you facilitate more awareness through greater regional coverage.

You could not have provided a better example than the Research Triangle area.

z8-Minutemen · 02-20-2013, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huskyman

Why all the discussion about BU, but not Northeastern? Their basketball budgets are the same at $2.1M. NU would have the 3rd largest total athletic budget in the A-10 at $22M. Northeastern plays at the oldest arena in the world (old home of Celtics and Bruins), and BU with the exception of one game plays at Case Gym which has a capacity of 1800. Of course BU could play future games at Agganis which fits a couple hundred more than Matthews (6k), but that does not make a whole lot of sense since BU is currently drawing an average of 650 per game, NU draws almost 2000. Right now NU leads a terrible CAA, but has finished under .500 only once in the CAA since it joined. The league wasnt always as terrible as it is now. America East on the other hand has been consistently terrible and BU has only managed to win it once in the last 10 years. I dont think either school commands any more of the media market than the other (they both command little), but it is a very nice media market. Academically they are separated by 4 spots in USNews, but Northeastern's SAT scores are over 100 points better than BU's and that gap is growing. Both schools are currently going through a $1B capital campaign. BU is building a new field for field hockey and adding a lacrosse team. NU is going to be building a new basketball/volleyball practice facility, a baseball pavilion, and more rowing training facilities. I am not suggesting that either school should be the pick of the league, but I do think they should be near each other on any list whether it be at the top or the bottom.

Very well said, Huskyman. NU should be a top choice.

Knobby · 02-20-2013, 10:25 AM

z28 - You really ought to think about posting on the Umass Hoops board - you would fit right in over there...

z8-Minutemen · 02-20-2013, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knobby

z28 - You really ought to think about posting on the Umass Hoops board - you would fit right in over there...

For some reason it will never allow me to sign up. Too much of a hassle. But I'm glad I'm not on that board. It's too insane, too many wackos, and they whine more than anyone on here (minus one said poster). Truthfully, the whole Freddie Riley argument drives me away from there. I've even heard someone suggest he's better than Morgan at both ends of the floor, ridiculous.

MANGHAM · 02-20-2013, 10:33 AM

The pot calling the kettle black....

02-19-2013, 05:25 PM	#31 (permalink)
letsgogdub Rookie Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 86 Rep Power: 10324	Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7? Can I play? 1)George Mason 2)Boston U. 3)Drexel 4)Detroit (But we're staying on the East Coast now, right?) 5)Davidson 6)College of Charleston Wildcard: James Madison (two presidents!) And question: Is William & Mary out because of football? (At least google their arena.) Also, I think we should get back to 14. I think there is strength in numbers. ...Fire away.

02-19-2013, 07:08 PM	#33 (permalink)
z8-Minutemen Player Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 632 Rep Power: 153363	Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7? Z8's Top 6 (with reasons why): 1. Northeastern. Top CAA basketball program. Provides and maintains the Boston market once UMass leaves for football. Academic prestige. Plus, joining this league will bring a lot more fans into the Historic Matthews Arena (oldest in the country). Not to mention, Bill Coen will be a top 3 coach in the A-10. 2. Wichita State. Not much more to say. Provides us with the midwest market once STL, X, and Butler leave. 3. Jacksonville. This is a program down in the dumps, but did you know that they have a 15,000 seat arena? The A-10 will give them a much needed recruiting boost, and given it's location in a hotbed of basketball talent, within a few years they could be a quality program. Not to mention it gives the A-10 the Florida marktet, in another metropolitan area. For those who consider Siena a quality option, look here, this is even better. And they jump at the chance to join the A-10. 4. Belmont. Another cog in the midwest market, giving us the Nashville metropolitan area. Program on the rise. Good fan support. 5. Bucknell. Bball team on the rise. Great fan support. Academic prestige. Not a good market though... 6. Iona. Same as Bucknell. I am assuming that five schools leave the A-10, those being STL, Butler, X, Dayton, and Richmond. To replace those 5, I would pick my top 5 from that list. We will also lose Charlotte and Temple, so we would be left with 14 after that. I am also a firm believer that the A-10 should be 10 teams. I would also like to keep those 5. The necessary cuts would be Fordham, St. Bonaventure, Duquesne, and La Salle. That would leave us with a basketball conference consisting of: UMass URI VCU George Washington St. Joseph's Northeastern Wichita State Jacksonville Belmont Bucknell That conference gives us quality basketball, academic prestige, and fan support. All equaling more money. Idk about you, but I think that sounds real good. __________________ Dallas Cowboys- 5 super bowls and counting... UMass Minutemen- 8 tournament appearances, 1 final four. Alumni: Julius 'Dr. J' Erving, Marcus Camby Northeastern Huskies- 7 tournament appearances. Alumni: Reggie Lewis, Jose Juan 'JJ' Barea

02-19-2013, 07:28 PM	#34 (permalink)
Bill Russell Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,848 Rep Power: 34346	Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7? I guess I don't mind going back to 14, but it shouldn't be done all at once. Assuming four or five (or six?) A10 schools leave, there would be a nice chunk of NCAA unit change left over. Fewer members=larger slice. __________________ www.bonaalumni.com

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bprichard Veteran Join Date: May 2012 Location: Shanghai, China Age: 32 Posts: 1,053 Rep Power: 192540	Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7? Urg. With teams like those, the A10 could command a new television contract in the high four digits!

02-20-2013, 05:49 AM	#38 (permalink)
Huskyman Rookie Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 0	Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7? Why all the discussion about BU, but not Northeastern? Their basketball budgets are the same at $2.1M. NU would have the 3rd largest total athletic budget in the A-10 at $22M. Northeastern plays at the oldest arena in the world (old home of Celtics and Bruins), and BU with the exception of one game plays at Case Gym which has a capacity of 1800. Of course BU could play future games at Agganis which fits a couple hundred more than Matthews (6k), but that does not make a whole lot of sense since BU is currently drawing an average of 650 per game, NU draws almost 2000. Right now NU leads a terrible CAA, but has finished under .500 only once in the CAA since it joined. The league wasnt always as terrible as it is now. America East on the other hand has been consistently terrible and BU has only managed to win it once in the last 10 years. I dont think either school commands any more of the media market than the other (they both command little), but it is a very nice media market. Academically they are separated by 4 spots in USNews, but Northeastern's SAT scores are over 100 points better than BU's and that gap is growing. Both schools are currently going through a $1B capital campaign. BU is building a new field for field hockey and adding a lacrosse team. NU is going to be building a new basketball/volleyball practice facility, a baseball pavilion, and more rowing training facilities. I am not suggesting that either school should be the pick of the league, but I do think they should be near each other on any list whether it be at the top or the bottom. Last edited by Huskyman; 02-20-2013 at 06:31 AM.

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Deleo Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7? A10 North URI LaSalle St. Joe's Duquesne Fordham Bonnie's A10 South VCU GW GMU Belmont Davidson Charleston I'm assuming Richmond gets an invite to the C7 and UMass leaves for football. I am not seeing any schools in the northeast that are worth an invite. Northeastern and BU are in the Boston market, but that is about it. It would be like adding another Fordham, and we see how well that has gone. Even with the line-up above, the A10 is going to have a hard time holding itself together. If a couple more teams head to other conferences, it may be fatal.

02-20-2013, 08:22 AM	#40 (permalink)
SBUfan Rookie Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 30 Rep Power: 0	Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7? The A-10 will not kick anybody out.

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MANGHAM 6th Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: CONN. Posts: 450 Rep Power: 2153	Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7? The pot calling the kettle black.... __________________ Brown Indians forever

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