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Old 02-18-2013, 03:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What is the A10 Doing About the C7?

Alright, it's been discussed many times and the numbers speak for themselves. Overall the A10 teams are better than the C7 teams.

Instead of the A10 being gutted of it's top teams, why don't we purge teams from the C7?

There is talks about a big television deal in the making for the C7 teams. I believe the A10 just negotiated their television deal a year or so ago, but wouldn't it make sense that a new (competitive on par) television deal be reached that would keep the A10 together and add Marquette and Georgetown (the 2 top teams in the C7).

It stinks that our conference is regarded as second rate and has to be subjected to this type of destruction.

What is the A10 doing to try and preserve itself?
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Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7?


There's nothing the A10 can do to preserve itself.

The teams that get invited are not going to turn down $4M per year, the national exposure, and national prestige of the new C7 conference.

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WTF $500 Milly to C7? - Post # 1

'Catholic 7' Banking on Big Payday with New TV Deal (CBS Sports - January 6, 2013)

Reportedly, the Catholic 7 stands to earn more than $4 million per school with a new TV deal.
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Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7?

Praying... Which is a little ironic. The commissioner is probably trying to convince schools to stay but knows they probably wont. The one thing the a10 can do is to begin the search for schools to add to the conference.
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Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7?

Bending over.

In all honesty, I think we tried to be proactive by inviting Georgetown and Marquette, and possibly a couple others, early on at the suggestion of X. But apparently those guys laughed it off. I guess it was too far beneath them to join the A-10, even though I would agree that our top half is on par with or better than than the C7. Hate to say it, but the A-10 needed to cut loose the dead weight teams and then extend the offer. I don't think any C7 teams would be anxious to join a league with Fordham and Duquesne playing as they are lately. Ironically, if they were better, they'd be a great fit with the C7 teams.
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Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7?

Seriously, the A10 leadership can do one very clear thing: call Fox and see what type of offers can be put together for an A10-driven conference, assuming scenarios involving the B7. That's all it can really do to stop movement of existing members to the B7.

We all know the math: $350k versus $2mm to $3mm, assuming current rumors on the latter hold true.

I can't disagree about the top of the B7 being on par with the top of the A10, program wise. I'm also certain it's frustrating to A10 fans to witness the amount of brand pull the B7 have in this deal. It's a fair question to ask why the A10 shouldn't approach the B7. I guess we see where years of being attached to a so-called BCS conference creates a certain perspective.

The point about brand positioning may serve to adjust some numbers. What if the B7+ don't keep the BE name? What if MSG isn't the home for their conference tournament? What does Fox do then about branding-up this new group? Do discount factors clip the television money that's been bantered about? Perhaps, but probably not below 7-digits per school.

There is a lot to be resolved. It will all probably get resolved, but not for a few months or so.
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Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7?

Nothing proactive per usual. They should have cut the deadweight schools years ago and now it's coming back to bite them
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Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7?

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Shut the hell up you f u c king blowhard.
Good luck with that.

Do you think he understands his school may not make it, and is low on the pecking order anyway? Assuming UD makes the cut, which only becomes more probable if 12 is the number initially, do you think he understands that UD = filler at that point?

Most B7 fan comments I've read have no to little respect for Dayton, given its consistently mediocre performance.

A UD fan yapping about Fox money at this point is like a UD fan posting about next year's recruits while UD continues to move forward in the current season towards another .500 conference record; bad, silly timing.
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Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7?

Muddy is, shockingly, right. There is nothing the A10 can do. If the A10 could jettison UMass, URI, SBU, La Salle, Duquesne, Fordham and GW and then invite the C7 in then the A10 would survive. Not very likely, though.
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Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7?

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New Atlantic 10 Television Contract (Big East Coast Bias - October 3, 2012)


The Atlantic 10 announced a new television contract with ESPN, CBS, and NBC.

Sources close to the deal say that the 16-school conference will earn $40 million over the eight years, or split $5 million a season.

$5 million per year, split between 14 teams means each school will get a little more than $350,000 per year from the television contract.
The anticipated departures of Temple, Charlotte, Dayton, Xavier, Saint Louis, Butler, and Richmond from the Atlantic 10 will allow ESPN, CBS, and NBC to declare their existing TV contracts with the A10 null and void, on the grounds that the composition of the Atlantic 10 has fundamentally changed for the worse, i.e., the actual A10 teams going forward are not what the TV contracts were based on.

ESPN, CBS, and NBC will then be in the driver's seat for new TV contracts for the remains of the Atlantic 10, which might amount to $ 150,000 per A10 school per year, if that.

This, in turn, will play havoc with the athletic funding for the remaining the Atlantic 10 schools, who have already budgeted $ 350,000 per year from the network TV contracts in place.

These schools will then have to cut their athletic budgets by $ 200,000 per year or find an additional $ 200,000 per year to plug the deficit.
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ESPN, CBS, and NBC will then be in the driver's seat for new TV contracts for the remains of the Atlantic 10, which might amount to $ 150,000 per A10 school per year, if that.

This, in turn, will play havoc with the athletic funding for the remaining the Atlantic 10 schools, who have already budgeted $ 350,000 per year from the network TV contracts in place.

These schools will then have to cut their athletic budgets by $ 200,000 per year or find an additional $ 200,000 per year to plug the deficit.
I hope for your mental health and sanity, one of those schools is not Dayton... which by the way, in reality could be a likely scenario.
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Nothing proactive per usual. They should have cut the deadweight schools years ago and now it's coming back to bite them
This is so dead on! Addition by subtraction has been the answer for quite a while but nobody had the hangy-down things to pull the trigger or find a mutually beneficial way to get it done. Three members have been in the Conference since at least 1995 and have brought not one NCAA credit into the mix. It always seems to be "Wait until next year!" or "When we get another Head Coach or Athletic Director we will turn it around!" --- but it never seems to happen. Heck, even winning Conference seasons are few and far between for those members, much less contending for a crown!

It has been said on this Board quite a few times, even by posters not from constantly contending programs but ones that often find themselves in the 3-8 places in the standings, that those who have proven not to be able to contend for championships and contribute to the "A-10 kitty" should welcome the opportunity to find a more compatible conference for their higher profile sports teams i.e. Men's Basketball. By landing in such a Conference, they might even be able to make the NCAA Tourney on a somewhat regular basis. It's easy to see why such current members can't excite their fan bases enough to fill even their relatively small arenas when there are so few instances of Conference victories over an extended period of time.
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Muddy is, shockingly, right. There is nothing the A10 can do. If the A10 could jettison UMass, URI, SBU, La Salle, Duquesne, Fordham and GW and then invite the C7 in then the A10 would survive. Not very likely, though.
That's almost what's going to happen anyway...it's just happening the other way around.
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Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7?

Yes, I think the A10 will be decimated, but you wonder if a last ditch attempt to save itself the conference could shed 4 teams - probably the Bonnie's, Duquesne, Fordham and La Sallle or URI, and then seeing if UConn, Temple, Cinci and Memphis would have any interest in joining in spme capacity. At that point Butler, X, and the others would have to look at being with those 4 schools versus joining the C7, and it might be a close call. That is a one in a million shot, if that, but otherwise say hello to Siena, Towson, GMU, Drexel and a few others as the new members of the A10.
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Re: What is the A10 Doing About the C7?

I want some of the weed you guys are smoking. The A 10. Is done! Stick a fork in it. St L, X, Butler and VCU are going. No one from the C 7 would consider dropping down to the A10 no matter what schools we dumped.


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I want some of the weed you guys are smoking. The A 10. Is done! Stick a fork in it. St L, X, Butler and VCU are going. No one from the C 7 would consider dropping down to the A10 no matter what schools we dumped.


Welcome, Detroit Mercy, Drexel, Davidson! Maybe Delaware.
More like welcome Creighton, Murray State, Belmont, and Northeastern.
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