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Old 09-28-2014, 02:50 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Shredded is a little strong. An ideal matchup going up against our style of play.

If he was shredding it with ease, the games would be nowhere near as competitive as they were. He was probably the difference in those games though. Really good ballplayer and a big reason St. Joe's ended up A-10 champs. Glad he's gone, but loved watching him play except when it was against us.
The rest of the Hawks weathered VCU decently, but Halil did often have a much, much easier time than most players again the Rams. A lot of times, to me, it looked like he was having fun out there throwing lobs and setting picks. Just one person's opinion, though, of course.

He is the reason SJU is defending A10 Champs, imo, without any disrespect to anyone else on that team.
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I don't think he averages as much as people think he will this year. Doesn't mean he failed to make a leap, it probably will mean his guards kinda suck.
Adam, I could be wrong, but my observation is that your commentary in regards to Bona is generally on the negative side. I'm interested in why you assume that the Bona guards will suck. In the end, you may be right, but you seem pretty sure of it by using the term "probably."
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Shredded is a little strong. An ideal matchup going up against our style of play.

If he was shredding it with ease, the games would be nowhere near as competitive as they were. He was probably the difference in those games though. Really good ballplayer and a big reason St. Joe's ended up A-10 champs. Glad he's gone, but loved watching him play except when it was against us.
Bigs that can handle the ball and pass out of the middle are so big against Havoc. That's why Loe and Cody Ellis were so important to the Billiken offense against the press.
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Adam, I could be wrong, but my observation is that your commentary in regards to Bona is generally on the negative side. I'm interested in why you assume that the Bona guards will suck. In the end, you may be right, but you seem pretty sure of it by using the term "probably."
Don't bother. AdamTheRaider knows it all.
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Don't bother. AdamTheRaider knows it all.
I know, Bill. But, he may as well give us his know-it-all knowledge on why the Bona guards suck, so that we all know why.
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Is it okay if I say that Bona's guards might suck but I have no idea whether they will or not?

I think it'll definitely take them a little time to gel, for what it's worth.
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Is it okay if I say that Bona's guards might suck but I have no idea whether they will or not?

I think it'll definitely take them a little time to gel, for what it's worth.
They could suck just like anyone's guards could ya know. However, experience and Schmidt go hand and hand so cumberbatch and gathers entering their senior seasons makes me believe they will be pretty good. My issue with Alston and Posley. I'm not a fan of JUCO players and probably never will be too much of a hit and miss. Plus info on them is so hard to come by.

My concern for the Bonnie's is their schedule and depth along with quite a few other teams.
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I'm not sure what the big worry about not having Steve this year is. Ya, kinda sucks for him but if Steve was the make or break player for UD this season then we have bigger issues.

As to the point "above average big men" in this league, that in and of itself is a pretty relative brush to paint players with. In relation to what? In 1984, UD (in a much better era of big men across the board) made an Elite 8 with no one taller then 6'6" on the floor. Zern (sp?) at 6'9" came off the bench. I'd be worried if Zack averaged 17 and 13 a game...but he doesn't, even though he's always the tallest player on the floor.

Is Lalane more talented then UD big men? Probably, but by Umass fans' own admission in other threads, he's wildly inconsistent.

My point (and Adam's) is there aren't many big men in this league, or all of the NCAA for that matter anymore, that can take over a game in the paint and will their team to win. The Professor was the last in the A10 to do that.

Dayton's guards and wings are as good if not better then most in the league and that's why losing Big Steve doesn't mean much at all.
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Dayton loses freshman center for upcoming season
By Matt Norlander | College Basketball Writer
September 29, 2014 11:22 am ET

Dayton coach Archie Miller will be without one of his prized commits this season.

Coming off a charmed Elite Eight run, Dayton will start the 2014-15 season without the contributions of talented freshman center Steve McElvene.

The sit-out is NCAA-mandated.

The school's announced its 6-foot-11 recruit is practice-eligible but not able to play in any games for the upcoming season after being deemed a partial qualifier. That essentially means the Dayton big man met some, but not all, NCAA Clearinghouse academic requirements.

"We are disappointed for Steve, and of course Steve is very disappointed," Dayton coach Archie Miller said in a statement. "But as a member of our team he will be involved in everything we do. This is a great opportunity for him to spend the next year to develop on and off the court to be the best player he can be at the start of next season, and prepare himself for a very successful college career."

The Flyers were hoping to have McElvene earn some playing time and help beef up the paint. Without him, Devon Scott will likely have an increased role down low. Dayton is down to 10 scholarship players for this season. Most important: Jordan Sibert and Dyshawn Pierre return.

Dayton's 2014-15 campaign begins on Nov. 14 against Alabama A&M.

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As to the point "above average big men" in this league, that in and of itself is a pretty relative brush to paint players with.

My point (and Adam's) is there aren't many big men in this league, or all of the NCAA for that matter anymore, that can take over a game in the paint and will their team to win.
Not trying to be a douche here, truly, but words do have meaning.

Adam never stated that "there aren't many big men in this league that can take over a game in the paint and will their team to win."

Had he said that, I don't think anyone would've argued the point.

What he said was, and I quote, "If there's one thing I'm sure of, it's that the A10 is not a league of great big men. There's like 4 of them I would consider better than average."

I already went through and picked out 10 guys who I think are "better than average" either offensively, defensively or both.

Instead of moving the goalposts, why not tell me specifically where I'm wrong?
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Not trying to be a douche here, truly, but words do have meaning.

Adam never stated that "there aren't many big men in this league that can take over a game in the paint and will their team to win."

Had he said that, I don't think anyone would've argued the point.

What he said was, and I quote, "If there's one thing I'm sure of, it's that the A10 is not a league of great big men. There's like 4 of them I would consider better than average."

I already went through and picked out 10 guys who I think are "better than average" either offensively, defensively or both.

Instead of moving the goalposts, why not tell me specifically where I'm wrong?
Well, what do you mean by average? It is completely possibly you two have different ideas about what the constitutes the average big man and are just squabbling over nothing.

Are we talking about better than the average big man in all of D1? If that is the case most of the big men in the A10 are above average. Are we talking about average for the A10? In that case, there are probably 4 or 5 who are comfortably above the average A10 big man. Are we talking average for the BCS + A10? I don't know how many of our big men would be above average in that case.
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Well, what do you mean by average? It is completely possibly you two have different ideas about what the constitutes the average big man and are just squabbling over nothing.

Are we talking about better than the average big man in all of D1? If that is the case most of the big men in the A10 are above average. Are we talking about average for the A10? In that case, there are probably 4 or 5 who are comfortably above the average A10 big man. Are we talking average for the BCS + A10? I don't know how many of our big men would be above average in that case.
I assumed he was talking about an above average big man for the A10.

If that's the standard, who are your 4 or 5?
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I assumed he was talking about an above average big man for the A10.

If that's the standard, who are your 4 or 5?
I would have to think about it for a bit, I never really focused on watching the big men in this league and how they preformed, I always have watched the the team as a whole. My point was that statistically there are probably only 4-5 big men that are above average in the A10 by the definition of average.

There are probably about 20 'big men' in the conference who actually contribute to their teams, and assuming their skills are distributed normally there are probably about 5 below average, around 10 in the middle, and 5 above average.
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Not trying to be a douche here, truly, but words do have meaning.

Adam never stated that "there aren't many big men in this league that can take over a game in the paint and will their team to win."

Had he said that, I don't think anyone would've argued the point.

What he said was, and I quote, "If there's one thing I'm sure of, it's that the A10 is not a league of great big men. There's like 4 of them I would consider better than average."

I already went through and picked out 10 guys who I think are "better than average" either offensively, defensively or both.

Instead of moving the goalposts, why not tell me specifically where I'm wrong?
I see your point and you aren't wrong BUT, that's how I took it to mean. We were told by a certain fan on here over and over last year that Matt Kavs was the worst player to step foot on the court in the whole league so what changes this year for Dayton? Nothing.

If we're arguing the point that Dayton is very small and thin in the paint this year yet at the same time it won't matter, then what are we discussing here?

That's really the point...what's the def of an above average big man? Imo, a player that fits that def is clearly Zack from LaSalle and he hardly strikes fear in me as a Dayton fan as a player that is going to be the tipping point when we play them.

CBB is won and lost at the three point line now days, plain and simple. I hate even bringing up Xavier at this point but they are a perfect example of this last year. Stainbrook was better then ANY big man (maybe save Reddic at time) in the A10 last year. A true 6'10"+ back to the basket big man...but when your team has a bunch of games where you only hit 2-3 three pointers, you're gonna have issues, no matter how good you are in the paint or how big you are. I look around the A10 and see a bunch of Kavs, Robinsons and Scotts in this league and they aren't the ones deciding who wins A10 games.


I guess it truly comes down to what your def of average is but I'm saying, average is pretty low now days in CBB when it comes to big men. IMO, a Nicholson was WAY above average for a big man, not only in the A10 but in all of college basketball.
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