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Old 01-04-2016, 02:17 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Reshuffling Conferences

Then JP will need to inform us if the consensus pick, then.
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No one? Stay at 13?
I agree. 13 teams is a weird size, but 12 teams is a good conference size, perfect for two divisions with 6 teams each. Play the teams in your division twice, the other division once for 16 conference games. I hope bringing in George Mason and Davidson was an attempt to create a buffer for when we lose two more teams and not because the A10 wants to be a 14 team league. If we do add more teams to try and stay at 14 they should be better than the average A10 team, otherwise the strength of our conference goes down. There just aren't any realistic candidates that fit that criteria right now.
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Yes, the Shockers.

Teams currently without FBS football, and were not Big East members when making an Elite Eight in the last 23 years:

As A-10 Member:
Dayton (2014)
Xavier (2008, 2004)
Saint Joseph’s (2004)
Temple* (2001, 1999, 1993, 1991)
Rhode Island (1998)
UMass (1996 FF, 1995)

Later Invited to A-10:
Butler (2011 FF, 2010 FF)
VCU (2011 FF)
Davidson (2008)
George Mason (2006 FF)

No A-10 connection:
Wichita State (2013 FF) - would be travel partner for SLU
Gonzaga (2015, 1999) - Ain't joining us

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Let's say if Dayton stays in the A10 for the foreseeable future, then I would prefer the A10 to downsize. By that IF UMass/other team leave, then don't just bring someone in for replacement. Go down to 12 is fine by me. It's easier to "game" the RPI with less teams.
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Can always count on the annual conference expansion thread.

None of this is happening anytime soon. The Big 12 has hinted at expanding for a few years and nothing has resulted.

Most likely we are not affected by that expansion at all because it's going to be centered around football. If the Big East isn't affected than we aren't either.

UMass is absolutely not the first candidate for the AAC. They have won 5 football games since 2012.....
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Yes, the Shockers.


Wichita State (2013 FF) - would be travel partner for SLU
What kind of a travel partner is a school 441 miles away? I guess Duquesne, and Davidson can be travel partners, since they are closer than Wichita and St. Louis. People just don't realize how far Wichita is. Wichita is closer to LA than to NYC.
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Can always count on the annual conference expansion thread.

None of this is happening anytime soon. The Big 12 has hinted at expanding for a few years and nothing has resulted.

Most likely we are not affected by that expansion at all because it's going to be centered around football. If the Big East isn't affected than we aren't either.

UMass is absolutely not the first candidate for the AAC. They have won 5 football games since 2012.....
Here’s the news for you:

The Big XII proposed a rule change that would allow them to hold a No. 1 vs No. 2 Championship game in football with only 10 members. The VOTE for that rule change will come in JANUARY.

We’ve known this since the summer, so while there’s been rumors since the Big XII got screwed out of CFP spot last year, it’s been all smoke and no fire because everyone expected the rule proposal to pass, and the Big XII wouldn’t need to expand.

But in December, the Big Ten added an amendment: That championship games still must be among Division Champions, and now no one has a good nose count on how everyone’s going to vote.

If the proposal FAILS, then it’s a lot of fire. And that’s the reason this conversation is heating up NOW.



Now, as it pertains to UMass… quality of football hasn’t mattered as much as market size for decades now.

Rutgers is 71st in win pct out of the 128 FBS schools; Big Ten wanted NYC market
Maryland in 62nd in win pct out of the 128 FBS schools; Big Ten wanted DC market
Boise State’s been better than Colorado for a decade; Pac-12 wanted Denver market
West Virginia’s been better than Missouri for decades; SEC wanted St. Louis market

The American selected:
SMU (.477)
Memphis (.471)
UConn (.463)
Tulane (.448)
Temple (.434)

over
Toledo (.586)
Bowling Green (.575)
Southern Miss (.558)
App State (.541)
La Tech (.512)
Ball St (.505)


THE AAC ain’t gonna give a damn that UMass and Charlotte haven’t won yet, because while Toledo and Ball State have been winning more, no one really has given a damn because they're Toledo and Ball State. People MIGHT care if UMass and Charlotte win in the AAC.
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What kind of a travel partner is a school 441 miles away? I guess Duquesne, and Davidson can be travel partners, since they are closer than Wichita and St. Louis. People just don't realize how far Wichita is. Wichita is closer to LA than to NYC.
#1 - LA is 10 miles closer than NYC.

#2 - This isn't a new development. Tons of leagues have great distances between members.

1150 from USC to Washington
1500 from BC to Miami
1425 from Creighton to Providence
1960 from UTEP to ODU

UTEP has been the furthest member away from EVERY SCHOOL in Conference USA since they joined in 2005.

#3 - We have airports. No one is busing from SLU to WSU.
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Can always count on the annual conference expansion thread.

None of this is happening anytime soon. The Big 12 has hinted at expanding for a few years and nothing has resulted.

Most likely we are not affected by that expansion at all because it's going to be centered around football. If the Big East isn't affected than we aren't either.

UMass is absolutely not the first candidate for the AAC. They have won 5 football games since 2012.....
While we're not a good football team, you have some interesting arithmetic skills, considering UMass has won 6 games since 2014. (the number you were looking for was 8 wins since 2012, which is still terrible). Recruiting it better now, but we'll need to see how the next few years shake out to see if any conference would give any semblance of a reasonable look at us.

When all the new media contracts need to get sorted out (over the next 7-10 years mostly, I believe) there will be a better idea of the landscape for overall realignment.
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I hope they vote so that the Big 12 has to expand to at least 12.
It will be fun watching all the pieces shake out.

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Plus, you know.... who's LEFT for the American to add?

Assuming Boise State isn't an option, their best bet is to take a school that just added FBS, in a good market, and hope they GROW into a good team.
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UMass is absolutely not the first candidate for the AAC. They have won 5 football games since 2012.....
You're missing the big picture. UMass' W/L record in the last four years (also their first four years in FBS) is largely irrelevant. As JP spelled out the key is what UMass can bring to the table for AAC and what UMass can become in the future.

That being said, I don't know if there are better candidates for addition to the AAC.
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The win/loss record isn't the biggest thing that they'd worry about. It's a combination of a lack of a proper on-campus stadium and some pretty poor attendance numbers (which could be improved with a better on campus stadium...and obviously a better record) that are the biggest drawbacks right now.
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^ Stadium's can be renovated or built. Attendance can improve. There aren't too many big flagship state schools that are close to a big media market, that have shown they're willing and able to invest in athletics, have FBS, and would offer UConn a regional partner.
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I am well aware of the expansion JP. This involves football though not basketball as I said.

AAC is not interested in a terrible football program. Maybe that changes and I hope it does for UMass's sake but why would they take a chance on that it might improve? Maybe you can look past that given if they had an excellent basketball program like Temple or UConn.

The Northeast college football market is one of the worst in the country. So many programs have been trying to grab ahold of some of it outside of Penn State. Rutgers is trying to get their program there. Syracuse, Pitt, UConn and Temple etc are some others. Yet, these programs have struggled for most of their years.

It won't matter how big the market is and if you grow into a good team if the market isn't interested. The northeast market outside of a few P5 conference programs do not do well. The northeast just isn't nearly as heavily interested as other markets.

Temple is a great example. They had a great season right? Yet, outside of Penn State and Notre Dame they couldn't draw big #'s despite how big the market is and how well they were doing. UConn Temple, AAC championship game, a New Years eve/day game on the line. Temple is ranked....can barely even draw 28,000 fans.

I don't have all the programs numbers in front of me but I would imagine that there are quite a few programs that have significant markets with both a decent football and basketball program. Old Dominion is one that comes to mind. Marshall has a pretty good athletic program as well.
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