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Old 01-05-2016, 07:46 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I think the vast majority of UMass basketball fans are ok with the possibility of moving to the AAC, but they're not thrilled by it. Football fan or not, the move is generally regarded as a mostly sideways move for the basketball program. UConn, Cincinnati, Memphis, Temple and SMU are able to recruit and generally operate at a high level while in the AAC. I don't see how moving to the AAC would negatively impact UMass. Big picture, that move is also necessary if UMass is to have any chance at one day moving into a P5 league which I have to assume is the really long-term goal.

The A10 has been good to UMass, but ever since Temple bolted I don't think there are a lot of fans out there who are adamant that UMass should stay. The overall basketball package in the A10 is on par with the AAC but could shift to favoring the A10 depending on who leaves the AAC. From a basketball perspective there's a fair amount of mediocrity in the AAC and there would be a lot of games that are of little interest to fans. That being said, the prospect of adding rivalry games with Temple and UConn is huge and way more appealing to the vast majority of UMass fans than anything the A10 can offer.

All that being said, if UConn departs the AAC before UMass joins, it might change some people's tune.
Thanks. I can see where that makes sense, but I guess the next question is if the dominoes start falling and the AAC looks to expand and UMass is not one of the teams chosen, then what? It seems like this all hinges on getting into the American; if that doesn't happen will UMass still pursue FBS football into some other conference and then what would fan response/preference be?
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Old 01-05-2016, 08:31 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Thanks. I can see where that makes sense, but I guess the next question is if the dominoes start falling and the AAC looks to expand and UMass is not one of the teams chosen, then what? It seems like this all hinges on getting into the American; if that doesn't happen will UMass still pursue FBS football into some other conference and then what would fan response/preference be?
If the Big 12 expands and UMass can't make it into the AAC during all of the realignment then I have to think they're royally screwed. Moving to conference USA or Sunbelt or whatever else might be an option would be met by a lot of angry UMass basketball fans.
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They might risk becoming the next Charlotte. Has anybody disappeared from the basketball landscape any quicker than Charlotte? I'd hate to see that happen to UMass.
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They might risk becoming the next Charlotte. Has anybody disappeared from the basketball landscape any quicker than Charlotte. I'd hate to see that happen to UMass.
ODU disappeared very quick, but they are starting to work their way back into relevancy. We'll see for how long, though.
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ODU disappeared very quick, but they are starting to work their way back into relevancy. We'll see for how long, though.
But that had little to do with football, really, just crappy basketball thanks to Blaine Taylor, who's a terrible NBCSN color man.
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Temple basketball has pretty much lost its entire identity since leaving the A10.
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But that had little to do with football, really, just crappy basketball thanks to Blaine Taylor, who's a terrible NBCSN color man.
It's true that Blaine was at the end of his ODU career, but the school making large investments into its football program had a lot to do with it, as the resources for basketball were diverted.
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I would definitely disagree with the idea that George Mason was an add for short-term benefit. I mean, Paul Hewitt.

They're in it for the long game, and have unique advantages similar, or in addition, to what other members of this conference have.

If anything, Davidson is the one recent add for which it could possibly be argued is for the short-term benefit. Seeing their great academics and considerable endowment, I wouldn't make that argument myself.
I meant GMU I think was based on a short term success: Laranaga's epic run. A truly weird outlier when compared to their history which they've regressed to since getting here. Not trying to bash Mason probably they will contribute to the A10's long term success, however, they don't go the final four I'm not sure they are here.
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I disagree with this. And not trying to start a fight or anything, I just don't see it ever happening, certainly not in New England. From the NE perspective, the sports fans there are entrenched in Boston sports (4 majors) or NY sports (8 majors). There is no shortage of options outside college FB on Thursday nights or Saturday afternoon.
NY actually has 9 majors.

Football: Giants/Jets
Baseball: Yankees/Mets
Basketball: Knicks/Nets
Hockey: Islanders/Rangers/Devils
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NY actually has 9 majors.

Football: Giants/Jets
Baseball: Yankees/Mets
Basketball: Knicks/Nets
Hockey: Islanders/Rangers/Devils
Well done, sir. Although the Devils actually call themselves NJ.

Even more reason to not attempt FBS in NE!
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Well done, sir. Although the Devils actually call themselves NJ.

Even more reason to not attempt FBS in NE!
The Nets called themselves New Jersey for a long time (1977-2012 via Wikipedia) before they moved to Brooklyn, yet, they have always been considered one of the NY Majors.

How many other cities have more than 4 majors? LA/6 (only 3 sports), Chi/5 . I'm pretty sure that's it.
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The Nets called themselves New Jersey for a long time (1977-2012 via Wikipedia) before they moved to Brooklyn, yet, they have always been considered one of the NY Majors.

How many other cities have more than 4 majors? LA/6 (only 3 sports), Chi/5 . I'm pretty sure that's it.
LA a stretch giving them the Ducks and Angels? SF Bay has 6-ish.

We're getting off track.
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NY actually has 9 6 majors.

Football: Giants/Jets
Baseball: Yankees/Mets
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Hockey: Islanders/Rangers/Devils
There are folks in Jersey who disagree with you.
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There are folks in Jersey who disagree with you.
To hell with what sjhawk13 thinks!
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Well done, sir. Although the Devils actually call themselves NJ.

Even more reason to not attempt FBS in NE!
I'm unclear on what the # of pro sports teams in NY/NJ has to do with the viability of FBS football in New England.
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