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Old 11-25-2016, 12:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Every conference goes .500 against itself. WINNING OOC GAMES, Period, is what matters most for the strength of the conference.
Which is why one team in the conference that keeps losing close games is killing me.
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Which is why one team in the conference that keeps losing close games is killing me.
The bottom of the conference is irrelevant if they don't cause any issues for those top 7ish team contending.

The good thing right now is the top of the conference, IMO looks stronger than it has in the past couple years.
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The bottom of the conference is irrelevant if they don't cause any issues for those top 7ish team contending.

The good thing right now is the top of the conference, IMO looks stronger than it has in the past couple years.
I don't think the bottom of the conference is irrelevant. It sets the RPI going into conference play. Currently the top 7ish teams projected RPI are:

28.7 RI
36.2 VCU
42.5 Dayton
59.5 St Bona
60.8 Davidson
93.3 St Joe
110.6 UMass

How many of those RPI numbers are going to the dance?
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I don't think the bottom of the conference is irrelevant. It sets the RPI going into conference play. Currently the top 7ish teams projected RPI are:

28.7 RI
36.2 VCU
42.5 Dayton
59.5 St Bona
60.8 Davidson
93.3 St Joe
110.6 UMass

How many of those RPI numbers are going to the dance?
If we go by last year, 1.
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The bottom of the conference is irrelevant if they don't cause any issues for those top 7ish team contending.

The good thing right now is the top of the conference, IMO looks stronger than it has in the past couple years.

I mean, when have the teams from outside of the top-10 in the Atlantic 10 Conference with sub 200 RPIs ever been able to beat teams near the top of the conference that were projected to be NCAA tournament teams?


January 25, 2014 - Rhode Island beats Dayton 88-76
February 12, 2014 - George Mason beats UMass 91-80
February 27, 2014 - Duquesne beats #10 Saint Louis 71-64

January 10, 2015 - Duquesne beats Rhode Island 60-61
February 14, 2015 - George Mason beats Richmond 71-67 OT
February 21, 2015 - Duquesne beats Dayton 83-73

January 6, 2016 - Saint Louis beats George Washington 65-62
January 9, 2016 - La Salle beats #25 Dayton 61-57
January 20, 2016 - Saint Louis beats Davidson 96-87
February 17, 2016 - George Mason beats Davidson 60-59
February 17, 2016 - La Salle beats St Bonaventure 71-64
February 24, 2016 - George Mason beats VCU 76-69
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Re: Conference underperforming.

In both the 2012-2013 and 2013-2014 as we all know, the A10 received 11 combined bids. The biggest reason for that is OOC wins at the top. I also think playing 18 conference games hurts a little too but that's not the point. In those seasons, it didn't matter how bad Fordham (sorry ace), GMU or Duquesne were, the top of the conference was very strong, did enough work to benefit themselves and other A10 bubble teams. Remember UMass went 10-6 in 2014 and still comfortably made the tournament despite hobbling there.

Compare that to the past two season and you'll see the conference has been weaker at the top and didn't allowed a couple teams to collect key wins without doing a good bit damage to their opponent. The past couple years we lacked a couple very strong team at the top.

The teams you listed in 2014, all made the tournament despite those losses. A few of the other teams such as 15-Richmond, 15-Rhode Island, 16-St Bona and 16-Davidson just didn't collect a really solid ooc win and there wasn't enough opportunities in the A10. Wins over Dayton or VCU simply weren't enough to put them over top.

This year while a couple of the teams at the bottom such as Duquesne and SLU look horrible. We still have to figure out the middle of the conference. Davidson, Dayton, St Joe's, Fordham, Bonnies, UMass, La Salle, GW and Richmond have only played a handful of games and have plenty of more chances. A few of them will emerge in conference play and pick up a couple really good OOC wins.

If VCU and URI continue to win and collect a number of solid OOC wins, they will be top 15-25ish teams which in turn not only helps themselves but the rest of the conference. Also, Davidson and UMass have wins over Arizona State and Temple which could turn out to be key wins.

Bottom line, it's early but at the top, the conference should be stronger than it has the past couple of seasons.
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The bottom of the conference is irrelevant if they don't cause any issues for those top 7ish team contending.

The good thing right now is the top of the conference, IMO looks stronger than it has in the past couple years.
Hey, we were picked 10th and have lost Deeky for the OOC schedule and perhaps the year. He was by far the number 1 recruit and point guard for us. Pleasantly surprised we were able to beat Harvard today. with only a close lose to Ole Miss. Temple beat W. Virginia which was good to see.
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Remember UMass went 10-6 in 2014 and still comfortably made the tournament despite hobbling there.
You only say 'hobbling' because UMass went 13-1 out of conference (with their loss coming to a .500 ACC team). It was because UMass won OOC that they could afford to slide some.


You want to talk about marquee wins and having room to allow for the losses in the conference slate, so what teams do you think have losses to spare?

George Washington with their 11-2 OOC record was not able to afford the losses last year despite wins over the likes of Virginia and Seton Hall. They didn't have a drop off--they were always a good team and proved it in winning the NIT.

Davidson couldn't afford it. St Bonaventure couldn't afford it. VCU couldn't afford it. St Joesph's couldn't afford it. Dayton couldn't afford it.

VCU had to win the conference in order them into the NCAA field. St Joseph's only got in because they got the auto-bid. Bonas didn't get in despite winning the conference.


Look at the schedules--look at the results. Who do you think is giving the conference all of this cushion?
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I'll stick with Twisted's numbers.

The year we got 6 teams...71 OOC conference winning %.
The year we got 5 teams...65%

We're at 61%, and have moved into 6th conference RPI.
But have a way's to go.
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The bottom of the conference is irrelevant if they don't cause any issues for those top 7ish team contending.

The good thing right now is the top of the conference, IMO looks stronger than it has in the past couple years.
It's not irrelevant at all.

What makes the BCS "power conferences" the Power Conferences is that teams like TCU go 10-2 OOC, so the worst team on the Big XII conference schedule finishes 14-16, which makes their SOS ridiculously higher than Gonzaga, who end up with eight games against teams finishing 7-23, 9-21, 11-19, etc.
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Bottom three teams OOC records (win percentage)

2016 - 3 bids, 15-21 (.417)
George Mason 6-7
Saint Louis 5-7
La Salle 4-7


2015 - 3 bids, 15-18 (.455)
Fordham 4-6
George Mason 4-7
Saint Louis 7-5


2014 - 6 bids, 22-18 (.550)
Duquesne 8-5
George Mason 7-7
Fordham 7-6
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