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Old 02-27-2017, 09:42 AM   #31 (permalink)
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NC State is a tough gig but the rewards for success are huge. I susect Wade or Miller would probably take the job if offered.
I would be really surprised if Archie left UD for NC State. My guess is that UD is going to throw some big money his way. He is already getting paid what Gottfried was making, so I doubt that NC State is going to pay Archie more than it's football coach. This is the reason Florida didn't pursue Archie.
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:31 PM   #32 (permalink)
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... I doubt that NC State is going to pay Archie more than it's football coach. This is the reason Florida didn't pursue Archie.
Florida is a football school. NC State thinks it's a basketball school. There's more than enough money to pay Miller down here.
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Florida is a football school. NC State thinks it's a basketball school. There's more than enough money to pay Miller down here.
Would you pay Archie $4 to $4.5 million? That is number that was rumored to be floated to Florida, plus a multi-million dollar buy out. If UD throws a shit load more money at him this year, the $4 to $4.5 million gets higher. There is more than enough money at UD to pay Archie similar to Gregg Marshall at Wichita State (especially after this year because of the success and the fact that a coaching change now would negate all of the progress made over the past four years). Archie gets almost everything he wants at UD, so It's going to take the right situation and/or stupid money to get him to leave. All this being said, he might believe NC State is the right situation, but in truth it's a dumpster fire.
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Miller is one of the few coaches who I think could be successful at NC State. No offense to UD and its fans but Tobacco Road is Tobacco Road. Given how much K is getting at Duke and Williams is getting at UNC pretty sure the NCSU alums will successfully pressure NCSU to get who they want at pretty much any price.

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Don't do it, Archie. Not a good career move.
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Don't do it, Archie. Not a good career move.
I wouldn't recommend it either btw. It is very different opportunity from other struggling P5 schools, though.
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:34 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Miller is one of the few coaches who I think could be successful at NC State. No offense to UD and its fans but Tobacco Road is Tobacco Road. Given how much K is getting at Duke and Williams is getting at UNC pretty sure the NCSU alums will successfully pressure NCSU to get who they want at pretty much any price.

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/new...6UF6JAZzehtgP/
Nice try '87 - posting a story that reports a salary for the calendar year 2014. Archie has had two contract extensions since that time. The extension, after the 2015 season included a huge increase in Archie's salary as well as increases in his assistants' salary. If Archie wants to go to NC State for $5 million a year guaranteed, I would say go for it.

I am not sure what is successful means to NC State though. They really have no reason to expect more than a Sweet 16. I was in high school the last time that they were better than that.

BTW - Roy Williams doesn't make much more, if any more than Archie's current compensation. I have all ways thought that Roy was a class act. UNC is getting a lot fro Roy Williams.
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The consistent things about the coaching carousel are:
1 - fans with a successful coach think they will only leave for money (convinced they are paying the same), when in fact there are other considerations
2 - fans with unsuccessful coaches wish they would leave
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The consistent things about the coaching carousel are:
1 - fans with a successful coach think they will only leave for money (convinced they are paying the same), when in fact there are other considerations
2 - fans with unsuccessful coaches wish they would leave
Well, I think all Dayton fans fully realize point #1 . If and when Archie leaves, it won't be for the $$$$. It will be because he thinks he can't go any further with Dayton or he just needs a change of scene. There may be some added perks too with the new job...more private jet flights, unlimited recruiting budget, ect.
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The consistent things about the coaching carousel are:
1 - fans with a successful coach think they will only leave for money (convinced they are paying the same), when in fact there are other considerations
2 - fans with unsuccessful coaches wish they would leave
Paul I did say that Archie would leave for the right situation or stupid money. I know I am just a simple UD grad living in Dayton, OH, but isn't the right situation the same as other considerations? The XU part of you keeps you from believing that UD would pay its basketball coach more than $2 million.

Read the paragraph talking about Archie and NC State in the linked article. The power team that did its due diligence on Archie and decided not pursue him any further is reported to have been Florida. The price tag was too high - +$4 million and a big buy out. That was two years ago and Archie has increased his marketability since then. UF under Billy Donovan had massive success. Why would he leave UD for a program with far less success than Florida now? Maybe because he is an alum, or because of stupid money.

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JAF, I have no idea what Miller is paid. I don't recall participating in discussions about the size of his salary at all. That's really for Dayton fans.
My comment was a general one on all "hot" coaches, their current and hypothetical schools. Look at the discussions when Shaka left; his salary was a topic, what he gave to his assistants, the new facilities, etc.
Also that "hot" can wear off and sometimes there is a window of opportunity.
And perhaps, most importantly, the challenge of a bigger stage.
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JAF, I have no idea what Miller is paid. I don't recall participating in discussions about the size of his salary at all. That's really for Dayton fans.
My comment was a general one on all "hot" coaches, their current and hypothetical schools. Look at the discussions when Shaka left; his salary was a topic, what he gave to his assistants, the new facilities, etc.
Also that "hot" can wear off and sometimes there is a window of opportunity.
And perhaps, most importantly, the challenge of a bigger stage.
Add in the roster for next year. Simple fact is Miller is losing four seniors that won a lot of games at Dayton. Good time to cash in if he wants to.
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Archie will have no trouble retooling UD after this senior class graduates. He should not accept any job outside of blue blood territory. If it isn't Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, UCLA, or MAYBE Indiana, tell them to kick rocks. Dayton is a very good job with equal or better fan/alum/community support to most on the NCSU-type of level; it also offers solid money and FAR more job security.
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Archie will have no trouble retooling UD after this senior class graduates. He should not accept any job outside of blue blood territory. If it isn't Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, UCLA, or MAYBE Indiana, tell them to kick rocks. Dayton is a very good job with equal fan/alum/community support, solid money, and FAR more job security.
It only takes one bad recruiting class to end up an 8th place team fighting for an NIT bid. At that point you are just another coach. His stock is higher than its ever been and may never be this high again. You can take a job at a P5 school fail come back to the A-10. Would anyone be surprised to see Wade move up and Shaka go back to VCU after he is done floundering at Texas? I am not saying Miller should take NC State but limiting the list to the schools above simply ignores the reality of caching in DI.
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It only takes one bad recruiting class to end up an 8th place team fighting for an NIT bid. At that point you are just another coach. His stock is higher than its ever been and may never be this high again. You can take a job at a P5 school fail come back to the A-10. Would anyone be surprised to see Wade move up and Shaka go back to VCU after he is done floundering at Texas? I am not saying Miller should take NC State but limiting the list to the schools above simply ignores the reality of caching in DI.
But I don't think recruiting classes have anything to do with his decision to leave. In fact, it just might be the opposite right now for Archie, it could be that this incoming class keeps him here (Kostas included in that class).
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