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Old 02-28-2017, 06:59 AM   #46 (permalink)
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What about a coach being happy and content? The endless reaching for the "big time" has killed more than one career. Mark Few has been one of the rare exceptions to the rule of P5 lust.
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Now, tbh, I really thought that this would be the year Archie leaves due to the four seniors leaving also....so we will see. It does seem like the "time is right" for him to leave with this class leaving and with what appears to be multiple big time jobs opening up.
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But I don't think recruiting classes have anything to do with his decision to leave. In fact, it just might be the opposite right now for Archie, it could be that this incoming class keeps him here (Kostas included in that class).
Recruiting classes don't keep coaches at their current job. Too much uncertainty.
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Old 02-28-2017, 07:23 AM   #49 (permalink)
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What about a coach being happy and content? The endless reaching for the "big time" has killed more than one career. Mark Few has been one of the rare exceptions to the rule of P5 lust.
We heard for years from Shaka, you don't run from happiness (quoting Few). I've got no hard feelings about it, though. Whether it was the money or supposedly that Texas was on his short list of schools, each coach has their motivations.

I would imagine that Archie has a short list, as well. But I hope that his personal motivations also include turning Dayton into a perennial power and that those outweigh other aspirations. But he's going to do what's best for him and his family, which plays into being happy.

I think the main thing is that if/when Archie leaves, he will have left Dayton in a much better place than when he arrived and there will be a road map to continue that success.
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Selfishly, I hope Archie stays at least 1 more year (if not 20 more years) simply b/c the combination of losing these 4 seniors and potentially having this recruiting class falling apart could result in a couple or more seasons of building the program back up no matter who the next coach is.

Unless Archie has an "under the table" guarantee that a coach is going to retire in the next couple of seasons (Matta is the only one I think would be possible in this scenario, and such a guarantee is highly unlikely, like b/w slim and none and slim left an hour ago) he doesn't get to pick when the "perfect" opportunity opens up for him.

There is a ton of merit in "sticking with what you know", even if you don't like Yow as the AD at NC State, and even if she's going to retire in a couple of seasons, you'd have no clue who the next AD will be, nor what their vision nor track record is.
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Archie will have no trouble retooling UD after this senior class graduates. He should not accept any job outside of blue blood territory. If it isn't Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, UCLA, or MAYBE Indiana, tell them to kick rocks. Dayton is a very good job with equal or better fan/alum/community support to most on the NCSU-type of level; it also offers solid money and FAR more job security.
Bill, you're spot on. I can see UD taking a step back next year, but the team could be pretty good. UD also has realistic expectations. I think that UD could be a perennial Sweet 16 type of program if Archie stays put. If the stars and moon align perfectly like they did in 2014 maybe they go further. The people at UD realize this. If Archie wants to realistically win national championships, he should look elsewhere. The thing that he has is support. He gets pretty much everything that he wants. Hell they ponied up $125k for a weightless treadmill to speed up Cunningham's rehabilitation. He is extremely well paid, UD provides enough budget that can retain his coaching staff and hire a huge administrative staff, they just put $4 million in to a basketball locker room renovation at the Arena, and will be starting a $50 to $75 million renovation of the Arena. There is something to be said about having all of this and actually developing / coaching good college players in to a top 25 program with a fraction of the outside distractions coming along with a P5 program.
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I don't think any of those things should be minimized that you point out about Dayton.
But I think there is an arc of achievement at most schools, that is a challenge to maintain, and should be considered.
And again, all of those factors pointed out that a coach may consider, do not take into account his personal feeling of wanting to be challenged as an individual on a higher level.
There are some who don't seem to seek it (Mark Few), but I think most coaches, like most athletes, are constantly seeking to be tested on the next level. When that factor is in play, the difference in 2 million and 2.5 million may not be the key to a decision.
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I don't think any of those things should be minimized that you point out about Dayton.
But I think there is an arc of achievement at most schools, that is a challenge to maintain, and should be considered.
And again, all of those factors pointed out that a coach may consider, do not take into account his personal feeling of wanting to be challenged as an individual on a higher level.
There are some who don't seem to seek it (Mark Few), but I think most coaches, like most athletes, are constantly seeking to be tested on the next level. When that factor is in play, the difference in 2 million and 2.5 million may not be the key to a decision.
Mark Few is the perfect example. Gonzaga is recognized as the premier mid major program in the country. They are still projected as a number one seed and I'm too lazy to look up their seedings in past years. Why couldn't Archie take UD to Gonzaga's level? The same for a number of other A10 programs.

There are a few posters that would like for UD return to the Brian Gregory days when the senior class graduates, but I don't see that happening. This year's team is not the ceiling for the Program. Consider how good this team would have been with Steve McElvane, and if Pollard and Cunningham didn't miss games. On top of all this, throw in the progress that X. Williams and Mikesell have shown. Next year is going to a lot different obviously, but on paper Kostas, Svoboda and the high school recruits are better players than the seniors were as freshman.

Archie knows how far he can take the program. Only Archie knows what he wants for himself long-term. I can tell you that UD will put on a full court press to keep him.
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I listened to this yesterday but some interesting comments:

Dayton is a "very comfortable place for me and my family"

If win the A10 "you can beat anyone" ... the A10 is a "gritty, city league" ... coaches league ... players league

Everyone recognizes what a great fan base we have, how great the tradition is, and how good we have it at our fingertips, and we built it from day one with our guys ..

They allow me to do what I want to do to build the program ... the facilities continue to get better ... not very often do we look or act like we are any different from any othe program ...

I am not willing to give that up but any stretch just because another job calls ... trust (with the administration) is everything ... to paraphrase he says that you have to be careful leaving this behind because you never know if you will ever have it again

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The word comfortable, coming from a coach, makes me uncomfortable.
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The word comfortable, coming from a coach, makes me uncomfortable.
You didn't attend one of Jerry Sandusky's football camps, did you?
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You didn't attend one of Jerry Sandusky's football camps, did you?
Simply meant that it is not good when a coach gets too comfortable at their job. There are exceptions though.
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Simply meant that it is not good when a coach gets too comfortable at their job. There are exceptions though.
That is probably a valid point for "most" However, I sincerely believe Archie when he said cooking on the Big Green Egg is the only other thing he enjoys outside of coaching basketball. I've seen him out a few times, and the dude looks miserable when he's not coaching. I don't think there's any amount of pressure that UD would put on him that he's not already putting on himself.
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You didn't attend one of Jerry Sandusky's football camps, did you?
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