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OZZY · 01-13-2003, 11:12 AM

I can't figure this out. Sure Duke is almost always ranked in the top 5 in the country if no #1 every year. But why do such great players go there? They come every year, and they obviously don't care about playing time because next year that team will be freaking stacked. Take Humphries for example, I have said this before, he will not see much time because hell Deng, Williams, Randolph, Thompson etc. all play his position! Where is the intellegence in going to a school where your "spot" it taken already? Coach. K is obviously one hell of a physiologist to make these boys think they are better off going to Duke that say Arizona, UNC, MSU, OU, Maryland, Florida etc. On those teams they would play and probably start. And even more of a issue is the fact that they are almost always top 25-50 ranked players. And most of the have a shot at making it to the NBA. And why don't players look at that end of the spectrum? Because I think that should be just as important as what college to go to, because them are in a position to make a ton of money in the future, and they have to improve as a basketball player. And coach. K's record with pro ballers that when through his system well. Not that good in my book. Just look at Battier, Laettner, Avery, Langdon, Carawell, Maggette. Heck even Jay Williams is not doing great in the pros to start off. Sure Brand, Hill and Boozer look solid but there are more players that are not good in the pros from Duke than there are good players in the league.

So why do these kids go there? Obviously coach. K has some little trick he uses, he makes them feel at home with all of his physicology and they buy into it. Part of it also is the atmosphere that Duke has and it is a great place to play with a lot of history.

They have a ton of pro prospects on the team much like they did when they went all year with two losses. Duhon, Dockery, Williams, Sanders, Redick, Randolph, Ewing and Jones. But why do they all come to Duke? I just don't see the thinking in coming to a stacked basketball team. Sure winning is very important but will they sacrifice possibly millions of dollars to win? And in millions I'm talking about players that can play but don't get the chance to show their stuff and their draft stock falls.

You don't see this kind of talent at any other school. And sorry but this is not football like Miami. Most of there players all play there are 22 spots in football to play. Basketball only has 5.

rainman · 01-13-2003, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by <b>OZZY</b>!
I can't figure this out. Sure Duke is almost always ranked in the top 5 in the country if no #1 every year. But why do such great players go there? They come every year, and they obviously don't care about playing time because next year that team will be freaking stacked. Take Humphries for example, I have said this before, he will not see much time because hell Deng, Williams, Randolph, Thompson etc. all play his position! Where is the intellegence in going to a school where your "spot" it taken already? Coach. K is obviously one hell of a physiologist to make these boys think they are better off going to Duke that say Arizona, UNC, MSU, OU, Maryland, Florida etc. On those teams they would play and probably start. And even more of a issue is the fact that they are almost always top 25-50 ranked players. And most of the have a shot at making it to the NBA. And why don't players look at that end of the spectrum? Because I think that should be just as important as what college to go to, because them are in a position to make a ton of money in the future, and they have to improve as a basketball player. And coach. K's record with pro ballers that when through his system well. Not that good in my book. Just look at Battier, Laettner, Avery, Langdon, Carawell, Maggette. Heck even Jay Williams is not doing great in the pros to start off. Sure Brand, Hill and Boozer look solid but there are more players that are not good in the pros from Duke than there are good players in the league.

So why do these kids go there? Obviously coach. K has some little trick he uses, he makes them feel at home with all of his physicology and they buy into it. Part of it also is the atmosphere that Duke has and it is a great place to play with a lot of history.

They have a ton of pro prospects on the team much like they did when they went all year with two losses. Duhon, Dockery, Williams, Sanders, Redick, Randolph, Ewing and Jones. But why do they all come to Duke? I just don't see the thinking in coming to a stacked basketball team. Sure winning is very important but will they sacrifice possibly millions of dollars to win? And in millions I'm talking about players that can play but don't get the chance to show their stuff and their draft stock falls.

You don't see this kind of talent at any other school. And sorry but this is not football like Miami. Most of there players all play there are 22 spots in football to play. Basketball only has 5.

they dont all go to duke.look at this years freshman class,the highest rated player was shavlik randolph and north carolina had (arguably)3 players rated higher(mccants,felton and may)arizona had hassan adams and igoudala both rated higher than most of the duke recruits.i think when a kid declares for duke everyone assumes he's some kind of top 10 player and thats not always the case.some years they get a killer class like the battier/brand class but some years they just fill in the blanks,this year they only have two guys coming in to my knowledge and you tell us humphries isnt all that great.true they are an elite program but i think florida,arizona,mich state,unc can all boast of being equally elite.

**kansasalumn** · 01-13-2003, 04:43 PM

Moved to the ACC forum where this should be, but I left a re-driect in the General Forum

**Wink** · 01-13-2003, 04:49 PM

You'd think with the amount of players who went to duke who don't reach their potential in the NBA it would scare players away, but I guess a good shot at a national championship is enough to keep them there

**DaFuture** · 01-13-2003, 07:53 PM

aint nothing but the truth the guy plays the game like he was built for Duke Basketball. Can handle the ball, shoot, and post up.

**kansasalumn** · 01-13-2003, 08:40 PM

I am looking at some players on top of my head, some players of DUke make it like Brand and Hill. But then you have Bobby Hurly, and others who does not even make it past a yar or two.

Machinehead · 01-13-2003, 08:43 PM

Cuz deep down they are Uncle Toms ( that's the brothas that is )

OZZY · 01-13-2003, 09:21 PM

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Cuz deep down they are Uncle Toms ( that's the brothas that is )

You obviously know Malcolm X because he is the only person I have heard use the fraze "Uncle Toms". And you could make that argument, those players are just prep-ies and are more into school than basketball and maybe that is why they go to such a great academic college. But just look at next year, hell they have Deng ranked #2 and Humphries ranked #26 coming and they both play basically the same position?

P.S. Uncle Toms, well that was used for calling a "negro" that did what the white man said in slave times, he was on there side. And calling players that go to Duke Uncle Toms is just not accurate because they did not go to Duke because coach. K is white and wanted to work under him.

pharcyde · 01-13-2003, 11:59 PM

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But just look at next year, hell they have Deng ranked #2 and Humphries ranked #26 coming and they both play basically the same position?

Deng can play virtually any position they want him to. They really aren't so deep that players are going to be sitting on the bench. Next season they'll have Thompson, Williams and Randolph as post players, Humphries and Deng as wing players, and Dockery, Duhon, Ewing and Reddick as guards. Each player could get 20 minutes a game if they split the time up evenly, but they obviously won't do that. Some players will get a little more and some will get a little less. But after next season Duhon will be gone, and you always have to consider guys leaving early. They may have to sit for a year, two at the most, but those guys will get a chance to show what they can do. You say that Sanders is a pro prospect, but he's a senior and is just now starting to get significant minutes.

**The Truth** · 01-14-2003, 09:15 AM

Wow, there is an awful lot of stupid so far in this thread. I hope I can get to it all.

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K is obviously one hell of a physiologist to make these boys think they are better off going to Duke that say Arizona, UNC, MSU, OU, Maryland, Florida etc.

First of all, I think you need to get psychology and physiology straight, because there is a big difference. Second, how can you insinuate that Coach K uses mind tricks to get these players to come. If you actually looked into this before you started posting fallacies, you would realize that Coach K is perfectly honest with these players and tells them that will have to work their butts off to earn playing time, and that nothing is going to be given to them. He also tells them that playing against the best competition every day in practice is only going to make them better. Most of the players that commit to Duke do so because they say they want to be part of the Duke family. They are all very impressed by the team unity after doing their campus visits.

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Take Humphries for example, I have said this before, he will not see much time because hell Deng, Williams, Randolph, Thompson etc.

Actually Ozzy, Deng is slotted to play small forward, and Thompson is a center, and Humphries is a power forward. Also, Shelden can play center.

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And coach. K's record with pro ballers that when through his system well. Not that good in my book. Just look at Battier, Laettner, Avery, Langdon, Carawell, Maggette.

Out of these, which can you actually say has been a bust? I think only Laettner (although he did have a couple very solid seasons). Avery went pro WAY too early (against Coach K's reccomendation) and he didn't have the athletic ability that would translate to a good pro career. Not only was Langdon unathletic, he had TERRIBLE knees. He showed flashes of being a good NBA player, but his knees were always a problem. Carawell was also unathletic, and I don't see how you can say Maggette's been a failure. He started out in the NBA as a project, and he's turned into a very good NBA player, and is still extremely young.

I think instead of saying Coach K didn't help them reach their NBA potential you may want to say that Coach K helped them extract every ounce of their ability to make them as good as they could be in college.

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I am looking at some players on top of my head, some players of DUke make it like Brand and Hill. But then you have Bobby Hurly, and others who does not even make it past a yar or two.

First of all, if you're going to use cliches, please get them right. "off the top of your head," not "on." Second, how can you even mention Bobby Hurley as a Duke player that failed in the NBA. Hurley was the starting pg of the Kings and playing very well until his life threatening car accident. He was never even close to the same player after the accident.

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Cuz deep down they are Uncle Toms ( that's the brothas that is )

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on this forum. How are they "Uncle Toms"? Is it because they play for a white coach? If that's the case, do you realize how many black college players play for white coaches? Are they all Uncle Toms? Is it because they may want a good education so they go to a prestigious university? If this is the case, are all highly educated African Americans "Uncle Toms"? Please, elaborate on your stupidity.

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You obviously know Malcolm X because he is the only person I have heard use the fraze "Uncle Toms".

Oh my god Ozzy, you cannot be serious. Do you think that Malcom X made up that phrase? Come on! "Uncle Tom" is a literary allusion to Harriet Beecher Stowe's 19th century novel, and it is used to criticize African Americans who follow white people or sympathize with them. It has been a widely used phrase since the Civil War. Yes, Malcom X did employ the term, but he is hardly the only one to use it.

BTW, Ozzy, I imagine your newfound admiration for Malcom X can probably be attributed to the fact that you recently watched the Spike Lee movie. However, if you are going to pretend to be an expert on him, you may want to read up a little more on African American history as a whole. It would do you some good.

And one more thing. I may be mistaken, but I thought you were white, Ozzy. Do you realize that Malcom X referred to whites as the race of the devil (although he did come around near the end of his life)? Just something to ponder.

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