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Old 03-01-2003, 03:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Was Dockery the right choice at PG for Duke?

I will probably wonder about this one for a long time. Was Dockery the right pick for Duke at PG given the options they had.

Apparently, Duke had their choice in the recruiting process between Dockery, Gerry McNamera, Jarrett Jack and Anthony Roberson.

Coach K selected Dockery because of his defense, quickness and passing skills, which he thought fit best with the rest of the recruits he was bringing in (since there are plenty of scorers).

I am glad Coach K didn't go with Roberson even though he was the #1 rated PG out of HS. He is kind of selfish and doesn't have a good head on his shoulders.

McNamera was the first one Coach K decided to stop recruiting, but his play this year has shown he may be the best PG in the bunch -- at least by college standards. He can really shoot and pass, and plays very confidently.

I also am a fan of Jarrett Jack. He is bigger (I think about 6'4) and is well built for a PG. He's a nice distributor and penetrator.

I dunno, I guess I won't have a better idea if Dock was the right choice until next year when he takes on a larger role. I think he'll be good if he gets a bit stronger, but right now he kind of gets beat up on the court. So we'll wait and see, but even if he isn't the greatest PG, it looks more and more like Duhon is back next year, and we got another superstar PG coming in in two seasons -- Demarcus Nelson of Cali.
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Dock equals overrated

and the only reason he was ranked so high was because
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Dock equals overrated

and the only reason he was ranked so high was because
he committed to Duke so early one. Everyone knows it except for most delusional Duke fans. He is like the 5th best rookie pg in the ACC. Nelson is a good player, but he cant see future UM commit Isaiah Swann out of Oak Hill.
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and the only reason he was ranked so high was because
he committed to Duke so early one. Everyone knows it except for most delusional Duke fans. He is like the 5th best rookie pg in the ACC. Nelson is a good player, but he cant see future UM commit Isaiah Swann out of Oak Hill.

That is simply a lie. His stock dropped in every single prospect rating list after he declared to Duke. He was actually much higher after his junior year before he declared to Duke. So no, this isn't a Duke media conspiracy.
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No it wasnt until the final

rankings came out that he dropped he was around 15-28 in most of the rankings I saw from the end of his junior season through the summer. Most Duke fans I know who have seen him thought he wasnt a Duke caliber type pg. I mean a starting quality pg like Duhon and Jwill. He simply isnt very good but Demarcus will be here soon.


By the way Jack was never going to go to Duke.
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Yeah, what DaFuture says is just flat wrong about Dockery's rankings. I remember watching the show "Preps". When they had Curry on as one of the top rated high school seniors, they also profiled Dockery and it was mentioned numerous times that he was the top rated Junior prospect. This was before he declared to Duke, or was even interested, as they did a segment with him going through the boxes of letters that he had recieved. His stock did drop in his senior year, far enough that he wasn't even the top rated pg in the nation. It has nothing to do with Duke, Duke conspiracies, or Coach K. He was still a top rated prospect, still a McDonalds All-America. Not to get too personal, but you saying he's overrated, contradicts what everyone else says. You are either an amazing talent evaluator, or just wrong.

You have to remember, and nobody seems too, that freshmen would not be expected to contribute if all of these underclassmen weren't jumping to the NBA. They would ride the pine for a year or two and then come in and be dominant players. Expecting someone to come in and dominate in their freshmen year should only be done in extreme circumstances (Carmello Anthony). Dockery will be a solid contributer next year, with or without Duhon, as will Randolph.
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Yeah, what DaFuture says is just flat wrong about Dockery's rankings. I remember watching the show "Preps". When they had Curry on as one of the top rated high school seniors, they also profiled Dockery and it was mentioned numerous times that he was the top rated Junior prospect. This was before he declared to Duke, or was even interested, as they did a segment with him going through the boxes of letters that he had recieved. His stock did drop in his senior year, far enough that he wasn't even the top rated pg in the nation. It has nothing to do with Duke, Duke conspiracies, or Coach K. He was still a top rated prospect, still a McDonalds All-America. Not to get too personal, but you saying he's overrated, contradicts what everyone else says. You are either an amazing talent evaluator, or just wrong.

You have to remember, and nobody seems too, that freshmen would not be expected to contribute if all of these underclassmen weren't jumping to the NBA. They would ride the pine for a year or two and then come in and be dominant players. Expecting someone to come in and dominate in their freshmen year should only be done in extreme circumstances (Carmello Anthony). Dockery will be a solid contributer next year, with or without Duhon, as will Randolph.

One Dockery was like the fourth best pg in 2002 if you looked at all the early rankings it was felton, roberson, dee brown, horton and some people had elijah ingram, as soon as he committed over the summer he jumped ahead of the ther 2 and was ranked 15 it was not until over the course of the season that his rankings dropped just like shav who dropped down to about 28-35 in some rankings.
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One Dockery was like the fourth best pg in 2002 if you looked at all the early rankings it was felton, roberson, dee brown, horton and some people had elijah ingram, as soon as he committed over the summer he jumped ahead of the ther 2 and was ranked 15 it was not until over the course of the season that his rankings dropped just like shav who dropped down to about 28-35 in some rankings.
You are just simply wrong. Going into his senior year, Dockery was ranked by some as the top point guard prospect. He fell to around the 6th or 7th point guard in most rating lists during the season.

His rankings had nothing to do with committing to Duke.
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He committed to Duke in

July which supports what I said.
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Re: Was Dockery the right choice at PG for Duke?

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I will probably wonder about this one for a long time. Was Dockery the right pick for Duke at PG given the options they had.

Apparently, Duke had their choice in the recruiting process between Dockery, Gerry McNamera, Jarrett Jack and Anthony Roberson.

Coach K selected Dockery because of his defense, quickness and passing skills, which he thought fit best with the rest of the recruits he was bringing in (since there are plenty of scorers).

I am glad Coach K didn't go with Roberson even though he was the #1 rated PG out of HS. He is kind of selfish and doesn't have a good head on his shoulders.

McNamera was the first one Coach K decided to stop recruiting, but his play this year has shown he may be the best PG in the bunch -- at least by college standards. He can really shoot and pass, and plays very confidently.

I also am a fan of Jarrett Jack. He is bigger (I think about 6'4) and is well built for a PG. He's a nice distributor and penetrator.

I dunno, I guess I won't have a better idea if Dock was the right choice until next year when he takes on a larger role. I think he'll be good if he gets a bit stronger, but right now he kind of gets beat up on the court. So we'll wait and see, but even if he isn't the greatest PG, it looks more and more like Duhon is back next year, and we got another superstar PG coming in in two seasons -- Demarcus Nelson of Cali.

There was not a single publication that had Roberson rated higher than Felton....

Felton was and still is THE best frosh PG
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One Dockery was like the fourth best pg in 2002 if you looked at all the early rankings it was felton, roberson, dee brown, horton and some people had elijah ingram, as soon as he committed over the summer he jumped ahead of the ther 2 and was ranked 15 it was not until over the course of the season that his rankings dropped just like shav who dropped down to about 28-35 in some rankings.
Shouldn't there have been a "two"?

You aren't correct. At the begining of their junior seasons, Dockery was surprisingly rated higher then any of the fellas you listed. Maybe you don't agree with it, or as it looks now, those rankings were wrong, but that was not last week, it was over 2 years ago.

Clearly, you aren't willing to reconsider the accuracy of your claims so any further explanation will be futile.
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