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aquaitious · 04-12-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ehmunro

Actually his offense would not be better than ever. Perkins, out of high school, had zero passing ability and no ability at all to play the high post. His only offensive skill was his ability to play the low post with his back to the basket. That's all he would have done in college. The market for undersized big men that can't play the 4 and can't play facing the basket is just about nil. Here, using the motion set that Rivers runs, the center is supposed to play the high post. Perkins has been improving radically in this area, in a way that he never would have in college. In second, the Celtics did not tell Perk what they wanted, they've given him extensive workout supervision and the sort of one on one development that college teams are prohibited from providing. He's light years past what any college could give.

I would like to have someone who plays with his back to the basket. His passing has always been good though, and it's not something he developed over here. They have probably also given Al extensive workouts, yet he's not much different than he was when he came in. Also you make college sound so bad. lol

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Originally Posted by ehmunro

Let's put in this way, most NBA scouts didn't think Perkins an NBA prospect at all when Boston drafted him. Now people are complaining about how much further along he'd be if he'd gone to school. What's changed is that the player that was considered a bust waiting to happen a year ago is now considered a real prospect. That sort of development wouldn't have happened at college, because the college coaches couldn't have given him that much personal attention.

He has a very high IQ, all he would have to do is play against others. It would have also perpared him for competitions and playing against other big man.

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Get back to me when Al is a fourth year player, I bet he'll be a pretty good defender. And Boston will have had three years of good performance out of him to boot. Al will be almost five million richer, he'll be pretty happy too.

Will do.

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Originally Posted by ehmunro

Except that as part of this agreement the NBA is giving the NBDL a makeover, and creating an actual farm system (albeit a shared one). So, the players on the NBDL teams would, in the future, getting the sort of development instruction they need.

I wish we can keep it two seperate leagues, it would be much better that way. As I said, I absolutely hate the idea of "combining" these two leagues.

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Can I post attachments here? I still have the article somewhere. The US does not tax income earned overseas until you pass 90k (or so). In Europe they need to pay the regional and local VATs, but most countries have generous exemptions for foreign citizens that play sports locally (elsewise the best American hoops players gravitate to the lowest tax region). So, yes, playing hoops internationally is very lucrative. It's how a local (Massachusetts born) athlete of some notoriety financed a very expensive heroin habit for years.

You can post attachments. I didn't know about nor that you meant about a "no-tax" rule until $90k of imports.

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Originally Posted by ehmunro

Right, which is why they must be kept away from the world of big time college athletics at all costs.

Pfft, from big time NBA athletics is more like it. Imagin youself facing Shaq after graduating 3 months ago...lol.

aquaitious · 04-12-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AoK-TripleDouble

This is a stupid rule, if your in High School and have a shot at the NBA you dont want to go to college and the possiblity of getting hurt when you could have gone rite then...

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Originally Posted by whiterhino

Ndudi Ebi

Like him, right?

There are gifted players, then there are players that aren't ready yet.

rocketeer · 04-12-2005, 02:22 PM

the age limit is a bad idea. you shouldn't penalize young players for mistakes gms have made. someone has to draft these players. if they declare and aren't ready, don't draft them or don't complain about players not being ready. it's that simple.

**ehmunro** · 04-12-2005, 02:22 PM

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Jermaine O'Neill has said he thinks the age limit is racist and that they don't have it in baseball and hockey...

I would agree with O'Neal about the age limit in effect, because college basketball & football players get shafted in a way that baseball & hockey players don't. One reason for this is that because baseball & hockey draft 18 year olds in such profusion the NCAA has to compete for high school athletes. Therefore there's no prohibition against them having agents (or if there is they never enforce it given the number of open Scott Boras clients that go to college if their demands aren't met), being drafted, negotiating with pro teams, etc. A real farm system approach by the NBA (including an expanded draft) is by far the best thing for the kids. If the NCAA is forced to compete for athletes, they'll stop riding the jock of basketball players so hard.

**Premier** · 04-12-2005, 02:25 PM

The predicament is simple, in my opinion. If a player is "ready" to make the "leap" from high-school basketball to college basketball, then he has every right to. It's is the general manager's choice of who to draft. There is absolutly no difference if he picks a high school bust as compared to if he picks a college bust. Blame the general managers, not the high-schoolers.

By the way, isn't there a constitutional amendment that states that organizations do not have authority to restrict a potential employee based on age, sex, race etc. if they are above the legal working age? Moses Malone used this to become eligible, right?

**ehmunro** · 04-12-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by aquaitious

I would like to have someone who plays with his back to the basket. His passing has always been good though, and it's not something he developed over here.

Coaches & GMs on the other hand, want more than that out of a player. Especially undersized centers. His passing might have been OK in high school, I didn't see him there, but he was mediocre during his first summer league, he was a turnover machine. He did, however, have good hands, and Boston's assistants have worked with him extensively. He had zero high post game when he arrived in Boston, now you can watch him out there and see that he might be able to do it. So his game has developed a whole lot more than you're giving him credit for.

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Originally Posted by aquaitious

They have probably also given Al extensive workouts, yet he's not much different than he was when he came in. Also you make college sound so bad. lol

True, but they haven't had the single minded focus from Al that they had with Perk. The entire staff has been piling on Al this year because he was good enough to play from day 1. I will confess that I disagreed with Rivers about this decision, however. Despite Big Al's talent, I think he might have been better served working on conditioning until the All Star break.

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Originally Posted by aquaitious

He has a very high IQ, all he would have to do is play against others. It would have also perpared him for competitions and playing against other big man.

Most scouts thought Perk needed a lot of work in that area. Boston's scouts saw past the rough exterior and saw someone willing to do whatever it took to make it. He's shocked the heck out of scouts. Let's put it this way, you haven't heard Chad Ford or Stephen Smith say a word about Perk, have you? And you won't, either. They're both hoping that everyone will forget the material they provided draft night 2004.

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Originally Posted by aquaitious

You can post attachments. I didn't know about nor that you meant about a "no-tax" rule until $90k of imports.

There's a separate income tax form for US residents working overseas. In addition to the other exemptions, there's an $85,000 personal exemption (which, combined with the regular personal exemption of $5,500 leaves $90k tax free). And overseas they generally just pay the VAT (as their club takes care of the taxes. Here's the link to his article. Just in case that no longer works I'll dig up the PDF when I get home.

SirCharles34 · 04-12-2005, 04:00 PM

This is a ridiculous idea! What legitimate reason does the NBA have for instituting an "age limit"? And don't tell me it's b/c they care about the black youth of our country b/c that's a load of *****! edit, aqua

It figures that the players union would finally give in to this. It's all about money and greed. Those selfish, greedy, past their prime, has been, millionaire ballplayers are calling the players union in support for an NBA age limit b/c as more and more highschoolers are drafted, the more veteran players will be cut. They can no longer ride the pine in their 14th and 15th seasons at the end of some team's bench. I mean c'mon, who would you rather have, a Vlade Divac or a Dwight Howard??

How the heLL can you deny a person the right to make a living? If an NBA GM thinks an 18yr old can ball and wants to draft him, that's his business. And all you kats out their who think you know what's good for everyone else, you don't know jack!
I'm out.

aquaitious · 04-12-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rocketeer

the age limit is a bad idea. you shouldn't penalize young players for mistakes gms have made. someone has to draft these players. if they declare and aren't ready, don't draft them or don't complain about players not being ready. it's that simple.

And leave high schoolers in millions of dept?

aquaitious · 04-12-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ehmunro

Coaches & GMs on the other hand, want more than that out of a player. Especially undersized centers. His passing might have been OK in high school, I didn't see him there, but he was mediocre during his first summer league, he was a turnover machine. He did, however, have good hands, and Boston's assistants have worked with him extensively. He had zero high post game when he arrived in Boston, now you can watch him out there and see that he might be able to do it. So his game has developed a whole lot more than you're giving him credit for.

It has developed, he didn't know what he was doing last year, but that should happen to NBA players. And yes, he was a turnover machine, but it wasn't because of bad passing, it was him getting stripped time and time again.

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True, but they haven't had the single minded focus from Al that they had with Perk. The entire staff has been piling on Al this year because he was good enough to play from day 1. I will confess that I disagreed with Rivers about this decision, however. Despite Big Al's talent, I think he might have been better served working on conditioning until the All Star break.

Had OB been here, there's no way either players would play. A lot of the development has to go to Doc.

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Most scouts thought Perk needed a lot of work in that area. Boston's scouts saw past the rough exterior and saw someone willing to do whatever it took to make it. He's shocked the heck out of scouts. Let's put it this way, you haven't heard Chad Ford or Stephen Smith say a word about Perk, have you? And you won't, either. They're both hoping that everyone will forget the material they provided draft night 2004.

That's why you don't listen to those guys.

Especially Chad Ford. Also check out the nbadraft.net link, Matthew Maurer summed it up all perfectely.

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There's a separate income tax form for US residents working overseas. In addition to the other exemptions, there's an $85,000 personal exemption (which, combined with the regular personal exemption of $5,500 leaves $90k tax free). And overseas they generally just pay the VAT (as their club takes care of the taxes. Here's the link to his article. Just in case that no longer works I'll dig up the PDF when I get home.

Thanks, that's interesting.

aquaitious · 04-12-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by alleninsf

This is a ridiculous idea! What legitimate reason does the NBA have for instituting an "age limit"? And don't tell me it's b/c they care about the black youth of our country b/c that's a load of *****! edit, aqua

It figures that the players union would finally give in to this. It's all about money and greed. Those selfish, greedy, past their prime, has been, millionaire ballplayers are calling the players union in support for an NBA age limit b/c as more and more highschoolers are drafted, the more veteran players will be cut. They can no longer ride the pine in their 14th and 15th seasons at the end of some team's bench. I mean c'mon, who would you rather have, a Vlade Divac or a Dwight Howard??

How the heLL can you deny a person the right to make a living? If an NBA GM thinks an 18yr old can ball and wants to draft him, that's his business. And all you kats out their who think you know what's good for everyone else, you don't know jack!
I'm out.

Believe me, I'm all for giving money to the needy, but when a guy comes into the NBA I expect him to be able to play. I don't want him sitting on the bench.

There are a lot of players who think they are ready, but in reality are not. Look at Lenny Cook, this guy WAS LeBron, yet he ended up not being drafted and now owns thousands of dollars to his agent.

If they are going to allow high schoolers to be drafted, then they should make a real farm system. Otherwise it is a waste of basketball spots to wait for high schoolers to pan out.

rocketeer · 04-12-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by aquaitious

And leave high schoolers in millions of dept?

i don't think i understand your point. can you explain?

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