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04-18-2005, 09:02 PM
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What would you give up?
Scenario:
You are Danny Ainge, it's the offseason, and you want to keep the same team together, but major contract issues are keeping you from it.
The two players that jump to mind are Mark Blount and Raef LaFrentz, but you know that no team/GM in their right mind would take either of these guys without something sweet from the Celtics.
So here you are trying to build/resign (for) the future, but you'll need to give a part of it.
For Blount, a team is offering you a guy with the same contract, but it's 3 years shorter, whom would you be willing to part with? Tony Allen? Marcus Banks? Kendrick Perkins? Delonte West? 1st Rounder? Multiple 2nd rounders?
For LaFrentz, a team is offering you a guy with 2 years less than Raef, but the guy cannot play...at all. What would you be willing to give up? Kendrick? Banks? West? Allen? Multiple 1st Rounders? 2nd rounders?
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04-18-2005, 09:06 PM
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Re: What would you give up?
Ideally, we would give second rounders in both scenarios as they rarely pan out and they aren't guaranteed contracts. Next, I would be willing to part with Delonte West because in the few games he has played, he hasn't shown that he will anything but a hustle player. He is destined for our bench. Simply put, I trust Danny Ainge's drafting ability enough so that I would be reluctant to give up a first-round draft pick.
For each scenario, it would depend on the player we are getting back. I wouldn't mind an talentless player as long as their contract was short and they didn't disrupt the chemistry on the team. In my opinion, with a more experienced Al Jefferson and Kendrick Perkins to go along with Antoine Walker and Mark Blount/Raef Lafrentz, I would do either one. I think Raef is a solid player, but because of his contract and style of play, I think he is expendable.
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04-18-2005, 09:08 PM
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Re: What would you give up?
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Originally Posted by Premier
Ideally, we would give second rounders in both scenarios as they rarely pan out and they aren't guaranteed contracts. Next, I would be willing to part with Delonte West because in the few games he has played, he hasn't shown that he will anything but a hustle player. He is destined for our bench. Simply put, I trust Danny Ainge's drafting ability enough so that I would be reluctant to give up a first-round draft pick.
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What if the team wasn't interesting in 2nd rounders? Would you call off the deal just because you trust Danny in drafting a superstar (whom he may not be able to resign once his contract is up?).
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04-18-2005, 09:23 PM
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Re: What would you give up?
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Originally Posted by aquaitious
What if the team wasn't interesting in 2nd rounders? Would you call off the deal just because you trust Danny in drafting a superstar (whom he may not be able to resign once his contract is up?).
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I wouldn't give up Perkins, Banks, Jefferson, or Allen for a player just to get rid of either LaFrentz or Blount. LaFrentz is a good player and he gives our frontcourt versatility as some players cannot matchup with him. He is still very usefull and he only should be traded in a favorable cap move without us giving up one of our proven young players (if that's not an oxymoron). I wouldn't mind trading Delonte West along with Raef if it gives the Celtics cap relief for a more experienced point guard. In my opinion, Banks is our future point guard and having two other players cut into his minutes is bad for his confidence.
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04-18-2005, 09:33 PM
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Re: What would you give up?
I'd give up Delonte and any and all second rounders.
But it does depend on the contract.
I think carrying bad contracts is quite alright if you are winning. If we resign Antoine, use our picks right, and get a player with the MLE, we will continue winning. I have no doubt about that at all. As long as we're winning, no one is going to care about those contracts. Or atleast I won't.
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04-18-2005, 09:42 PM
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Re: What would you give up?
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I'd give up Delonte and any and all second rounders.
But it does depend on the contract.
I think carrying bad contracts is quite alright if you are winning. If we resign Antoine, use our picks right, and get a player with the MLE, we will continue winning. I have no doubt about that at all. As long as we're winning, no one is going to care about those contracts. Or atleast I won't.
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You care about the bad contracts once we can't resign Al and Perk? And GULP Banks?
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04-18-2005, 10:41 PM
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Re: What would you give up?
I'd give up WALKER!
I'd give up Blount, and Allen or West. Allen doesn't strike me as anything more than a career roleplayer, and IMO is expendable. Delonte West is a career backup PG/3 pt. shooter.
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04-19-2005, 10:04 AM
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Re: What would you give up?
2nd rounders...We already have a bright future so a 2nd round pick isn't really anything good...
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04-19-2005, 11:29 AM
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Re: What would you give up?
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I'd give up WALKER!
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ummm yeaaaaaaa lets give up the guy whos helped us to an 18-7 record since hes got here after a season which was below .500 before he got here
do u really hate him that much???
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04-19-2005, 11:32 AM
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Re: What would you give up?
To get rid of Blount I'd give up 2nd rounders or Delonte and I'd even consider Tony Allen.....At this point to me Al, Perk and "gasp" Marcus are not touchable.
To get rid of Raef I'd give up 2nd rounders and Delonte but not Tony because the team getting Raef is getting a very good player who just has a bad contract. The team getting Mark is getting a stiff.
I do not think giving up 1st rounders is ever a good idea. You don't know where your team will fall or what player could fall to you. The draft is where stars are taken and I don't like giving up that shot ever.
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04-19-2005, 11:36 AM
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Re: What would you give up?
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I do not think giving up 1st rounders is ever a good idea. You don't know where your team will fall or what player could fall to you. The draft is where stars are taken and I don't like giving up that shot ever.
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there comes a point where u just dont need young players anymore...6 out of our 12 guys are first or 2nd yr players...then we have PP, Walker, GP, Ricky, Raef and Blount...what are we going to do with another first rounder?...we probably wont even have a spot on the roster for whoever it is
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04-19-2005, 11:45 AM
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Re: What would you give up?
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Originally Posted by #1AntoineWalkerFan
there comes a point where u just dont need young players anymore...6 out of our 12 guys are first or 2nd yr players...then we have PP, Walker, GP, Ricky, Raef and Blount...what are we going to do with another first rounder?...we probably wont even have a spot on the roster for whoever it is
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We have 3 empty roster spots right now plus Justin Reed can be cut loose and I don't see Delonte lasting much longer if he keeps playing like he is. You can't just take what you have, you ALWAYS try to get better. Teams that stagnate and turn to dust are the teams that give away their 1st rounders with little regard (ex. Minnesota, New York)
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04-19-2005, 12:49 PM
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Re: What would you give up?
I would agree with most people that in order to resign Walker either Blount or Raef would have to be traded for a player with less years on their contract than Raef or Blount. With that being said in order to get rid of one of those contracts I would agree with everybody else that Delonte, Reed, and any or all of the second round picks can go, something that may help is the high second round pick that we have from Golden State, even though that seems to be a team on the rise so that pick may not be as high when we receive it, from my understanding it is top 38 protected this year, so we probably won't get it this year and top 40 after that. I also agree that this team can't afford to deal number 1 picks, we are not a desirable location with the weather and taxes so it is unlikely we will ever get a good free agent to come here.
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