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07-07-2005, 07:58 PM
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Re: Free Agent Power Forwards:
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INteresting. So before your point was that SAR had good numbers because he played on crap teams and his #'s were inflated. Now your point is that the teams were fine - just that SAR did not make Vancuver players better.
And Antoine has been a vocal leader. But who has he made better? And don't tell me Pierce or Davis. They both were having fine seasons before he arrived.
How does Walker needed the ball so much and taking too many shots help young guys?
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I hate to bring up the 11-1 streak, but if Walker didn't do it...and if Walker had no influence...and we lost 2 games horribly vs bad teams (Denver was bad at that time)...who in the world do you give the credit to?
Please don't say "Walker came at the right time" because it's BS that it takes a team two years to win 11/12 games. It just came to them out of nowhere, right? They just decided, "Hey guys, let's go on a 11/12 game win streak, doing bad for a year and a half gets boring, let's win some...and oh yeah, this has nothing to do with Walker."
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07-07-2005, 10:26 PM
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Re: Free Agent Power Forwards:
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I hate to bring up the 11-1 streak, but if Walker didn't do it...and if Walker had no influence...and we lost 2 games horribly vs bad teams (Denver was bad at that time)...who in the world do you give the credit to?
Please don't say "Walker came at the right time" because it's BS that it takes a team two years to win 11/12 games. It just came to them out of nowhere, right? They just decided, "Hey guys, let's go on a 11/12 game win streak, doing bad for a year and a half gets boring, let's win some...and oh yeah, this has nothing to do with Walker."
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but aqua...during that streak they played bad teams and only had 2 wins against good teams and antoines numbers really werent that great he sux he shoots too many 3s hes the reason we lost that 1 out of the 12 blahbady blah blah blah 
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07-08-2005, 07:26 AM
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Re: Free Agent Power Forwards:
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Originally Posted by aquaitious
I hate to bring up the 11-1 streak, but if Walker didn't do it...and if Walker had no influence...and we lost 2 games horribly vs bad teams (Denver was bad at that time)...who in the world do you give the credit to?
Please don't say "Walker came at the right time" because it's BS that it takes a team two years to win 11/12 games. It just came to them out of nowhere, right? They just decided, "Hey guys, let's go on a 11/12 game win streak, doing bad for a year and a half gets boring, let's win some...and oh yeah, this has nothing to do with Walker."
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He had something to do with it. Just not as much as some people want to give him credit for. They also won some games during that run in SPITE of Walkers crap play. ANd the real Walker showed up in the playoffs taking 26 shots in one game whle getting to the line ZERO times. I know he did that only because I hate him - but it's a fact.
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07-08-2005, 07:30 AM
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Re: Free Agent Power Forwards:
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Originally Posted by #1AntoineWalkerFan
but aqua...during that streak they played bad teams and only had 2 wins against good teams
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true.
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and antoines numbers really werent that great
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actually a couple games he had excellent numbers. he just regressed to his true self.
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he sux he shoots too many 3s hes the reason we lost that 1 out of the 12 blahbady blah blah blah 
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his threes are down (why is he behind the 3 point line in the first place?) - but as he showed in the playoffs his shooting in general went back up. you can say it's blah blah blah buy I'd say Walker taking over 20 shots a game is too much. But again as it keeps being said - that must just be because I hate the guy.
His 50% shooting from the line? Also because I hate him. His inability to get to the line? Ditto.
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07-08-2005, 07:47 AM
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Re: Free Agent Power Forwards:
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Originally Posted by aquaitious
"Hey guys, let's go on a 11/12 game win streak, doing bad for a year and a half gets boring, let's win some...and oh yeah, this has nothing to do with Walker."
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so if as you seem to be making it out to be - it was all because of Walker. How come for the rest of the regular season and the playoffs we came back down to earth? We still had the mighty Walker right? We should have lost maybe one game in the playoffs with Walker around. Yet we lost the series. Please explain.
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07-08-2005, 07:51 AM
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Re: Free Agent Power Forwards:
So, it's merely a coincidence that we won 11 out of 12 as soon as Walker came back.
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07-08-2005, 08:01 AM
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So, it's merely a coincidence that we won 11 out of 12 as soon as Walker came back.
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He gets SOME credit. IMO the biggest thing that happened when Walker came back was an emotional lift from the team and the fans. I was at the Fleet for his first game back. It felt like a playoff game. The players fed off that I am sure.
But again please explain to me why that run ended. After the 11-1 run we finished the season about .500 and lost the playoff series - while we still had Walker. If Walker was such the difference maker that you and others make him to be we should have ripped through Indiana. But we lost the series. Why?
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07-08-2005, 08:21 AM
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Re: Free Agent Power Forwards:
I don't know. I've tried to explain it before, but I'm clueless now. Although, I do have an interesting fact:
During that 11-1 run, Antoine shot 189 field goals and made 92 of them. That's a field goal percentage of 48.7%.
During the remaining regular season games in which the Celtics went 5-7, with Antoine, he shot 175 field goals, but only made 69 of them. That's a field goal percentage of 39.43%.
This means, when Antoine shoots well, we win.
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07-08-2005, 08:23 AM
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Re: Free Agent Power Forwards:
ok. now we are getting somewhere.
and based on Walkers entire career - not just those 12 games - which would you say is the real Walker?
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07-08-2005, 11:27 AM
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Re: Free Agent Power Forwards:
ok I'll answer. The Walker who shoots closer to 40% is the real Walker. If Walker was a 48% FG shooter I'd be thrilled. The reality is his career average is about 41%.
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07-08-2005, 11:35 AM
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07-08-2005, 12:07 PM
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Re: Free Agent Power Forwards:
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The second best player on the Vancouver team was Big Country...Which makes it easy to get good #s
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So I guess Walker is doing very good w/ Hawk, I am lazy but if you want I can go search the record while Walker is w/ the Hawk.
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07-08-2005, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by celtsb34
No he isn't SAR is way better than antoine walker aka Mr.Overated.
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oooh you are in trouble now. you have done the inexcusable in here. you have said something neagtive about Antoine Walker. You must - like me - also just simply be blinded by hatred for Walker.
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07-08-2005, 12:28 PM
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