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Old 05-24-2006, 06:27 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Celtics' '06 NBA Draft Selection - #7

Thomas is a 6'9" post player...and he still may be growing. He's not a SF.
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Thomas is a 6'9" post player...and he still may be growing. He's not a SF.


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Re: Celtics' '06 NBA Draft Selection - #7

I'm still all about Marcus Williams unless something ridiculous happens like Aldridge slipping or something but I highly doubt that will happen.
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Re: Celtics' '06 NBA Draft Selection - #7

Why are you so adamant on drafting a "true" point guard that cannot effectively play defense, is fairly slow, and is nothing more than an average shooter? I can understand why one would want to trade down for a "true" point guard such as Sergio Rodriguez or Kyle Lowry as they can score or defend better, respectively, but Marcus Williams is not a good fit for the Celtics. Paul Pierce is not an off-the-ball type player. The offense runs through him and the offense is designed for him. Pierce needs a point guard that can handle the ball, shoot well, create for himself, and defend. Right now, we should draft for talent. That means Rudy Gay or Tyrus Thomas (if he falls). I, for one, am hoping that the Hawks take Marcus Williams at #5. I'd take Randy Foye over Marcus Williams, even.
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Re: Celtics' '06 NBA Draft Selection - #7

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Why are you so adamant on drafting a "true" point guard that cannot effectively play defense, is fairly slow, and is nothing more than an average shooter?
You make Marcus Williams sound like Eric Snow or Kevin Ollie. He has tremendous handles and can score pretty damn well whenever he wants. Check the tournament - 20+ points is easy for him, he just chose not to score a lot during the year because he knows how to run a team. His medium range game with floaters and short jump shots is pretty tremendous. His defense is not fantastic, but a lot of PGs aren't known for their defense and still make a big impact.

Paul can't be asked to do everything. When he's doubled, Marcus Williams can get the ball and absolutely make a play. His is not just a PG who looks to pass first. He is a special passer.
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I'd take Randy Foye over Marcus Williams, even.
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You make Marcus Williams sound like Eric Snow or Kevin Ollie. He has tremendous handles and can score pretty damn well whenever he wants.
I do agree that his handles have improved (though I would not label them as "tremendous"), but I must contest that Williams' scoring ability, especially off the dribble, is not at a NBA level (even for a point guard). The interior defense and organized defenses of the NBA are much harder to score on than at the college level. Williams was able to score quite easily if he beat his man off the dribble in college. This won't happen when he faces good perimeter defense and great help defense in the pros.

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Check the tournament - 20+ points is easy for him, he just chose not to score a lot during the year because he knows how to run a team. His medium range game with floaters and short jump shots is pretty tremendous.
His first step isn't very good, limiting his ability to get in to the lane. Also, he'll have to face good shot-blockers in the NBA, which may or may not rattle him and thus, restrict his effectiveness inside.

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Paul can't be asked to do everything. When he's doubled, Marcus Williams can get the ball and absolutely make a play.
I'd rather have a shooter who can hit the open shot once Paul is doubled. That is what makes Delonte West a good fit to this team. He hits open shots.

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His is not just a PG who looks to pass first. He is a special passer.
I agree, yet I do feel that the Celtics do not necessarily need a "special passer" in favour of a dominant scoring and defending combo guard.
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I'm of the opinion that the number one need for this off-season is a true, pass-first PG who can play D and distribute the basketball.


I've had the same desires for a while. Rodriquez would be really nice.......but I won't cry if we get Williams, still a solid choice. Center is always nice, but nothing grabs me at the #7 spot (Aldridge won't fall that far)....so pass on that first option and select PG.
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Re: Celtics' '06 NBA Draft Selection - #7

Come to think of it, I think I rather have a great PG now than a good Center. Look at the style thus far in the playoffs: up-tempo, fast break basketball with great PG play, kinda like the old 80's ball. Celtics need a true PG with great vision that will handle the ball smartly and can create a shot on offense. Doesn't need to be a monster on D - just look at the "MVP" Steve Nash (guy can't defend).
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Re: Celtics' '06 NBA Draft Selection - #7

Williams Impresses

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"Marcus plays the game at his speed. He doesn't allow anyone to speed him up or slow hin down," said Celtics Coach Doc Rivers. "That's what you see veterans do more than young guys."

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"He's got good vision. I think he's a terrific 94-foot passer, all the way into the 15-foot pass range. He's a passer all over the court, and he's a threat to make passes as soon as he gets the ball in his hands in the backcourt," said Ainge.
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Why are you so adamant on drafting a "true" point guard that cannot effectively play defense, is fairly slow, and is nothing more than an average shooter? I can understand why one would want to trade down for a "true" point guard such as Sergio Rodriguez or Kyle Lowry as they can score or defend better, respectively, but Marcus Williams is not a good fit for the Celtics.
Add in the fact that he showed up at a recent workout weighing in at 220 (and not in an Erick Strickland kind of way) and you have a big "NO"

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Paul Pierce is not an off-the-ball type player. The offense runs through him and the offense is designed for him. Pierce needs a point guard that can handle the ball, shoot well, create for himself, and defend. Right now, we should draft for talent. That means Rudy Gay or Tyrus Thomas (if he falls). I, for one, am hoping that the Hawks take Marcus Williams at #5. I'd take Randy Foye over Marcus Williams, even.
I'm hoping for Foye at 7. Toronto doesn't need any of the three post players, and would probably like Brandon Roy. I'm hoping that Atlanta trades into #1 for Aldridge and that Toronto grabs Roy at 5. Ultimately, as the blazers are looking for a second top 10 pick, my ideal hope would be a Raef/7 for Ratliff/Telfair/#30 & #31 deal.
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