[Causeway]

I'd bet we don't make any moves by the deadline - but you never know. Names being tossed around associated with the Celtics:

Chad Fraud has this idea:

Ray Allen and Robert Swift to the Celtics

Rashard Lewis to the Bobcats

Sebastian Telfair to the Hawks

Adam Morrison, Gerald Green, Josh Childress, Ryan Gomes, Theo Ratliff and a Bobcats protected first-round pick to the Sonics

Why should the Celtics do it?

Danny Ainge told us on the podcast last week that Paul Pierce was untouchable … so he's going to have to get him some serious help.

He tried to land Allen Iverson and Gasol, but couldn't get it done. Allen may be the only legit veteran whom Ainge could get with his combination of young players and Ratliff.

Would Allen and Swift, an Ainge favorite, put the Celtics over the top? Probably not. But unless Ainge knows some voodoo that can get him KG, I think this is the best the Celtics can do. It will give them a shot -- an outside one -- at winning the East next season.

This trade makes no sense. But some other real ones may pop up.

[aquaitious]

Is it a bad idea to stop reading after seeing Chad Fords name?

My IQ points are always in danger.


Well, I made the mistake and read a bit...Ford is an idiot.

If the Celtics actually wanted to win they would have gotten a veteran by now.

[Causeway]

^ agreed.

[#1AntoineWalkerFan]

omg if i ever see robert swift in a celtics uni ill burn the garden down myself...put rashard lewis in there with ray allen and id do it...id even thow in this years first rounder...yes i said this years...for 2 all star players??? give me ray at the2 pierce at the 3 and rashard at the 4 omg what a lineup...

[P-Dub34]

That lineup would give up about 150 points per game.

[#1AntoineWalkerFan]

Originally Posted by P-Dub34

That lineup would give up about 150 points per game.

and it would score 170...it works for the suns and mavs

[P-Dub34]

Wrong. The Mavericks play defense.

And we don't have a guy named Steve Nash at the helm of our team.

Big difference. That team would win 50 games and be gone in the first round because they couldn't D up anyone. In case you haven't watched basketball in the last hundred years or so, trying to simply outscore your opponent without playing defense hasn't been too conducive to winning championships.

[#1AntoineWalkerFan]

the suns will win the championship this year...and we do not need a guy like nash running the show with 3 superstar players like pierce allen and lewis...the reason the suns need nash and the reason why he is mvp is he makes mediocre players good to great...the only superstar they have is amare and marion is a very good player...other than that nash is needed to make things easier for bell, diaw, barbosa etc...you could be the pg of a team with pp allen and lewis and they would be fine...and if that team won 50 games they would not be out in the 1st round because they would be a one or two seed in the east and they wouldnt lose to orlando or new york or whoever had the 8th seed...that team would dominate the east...there would still be at least 3 teams in the west that were better but in the east they would cruise

[ehmunro]

How the hell do you get Allen, Lewis, and Pierce on the court at the same time?

[P-Dub34]

the suns will win the championship this year...

No, they won't. But if they somehow manage, it will be because they acquired guys like Raja Bell and Kurt Thomas - proven defensive players - because they haven't been able to stop anyone in the last three years.

...and we do not need a guy like nash running the show with 3 superstar players like pierce allen and lewis...

Maybe not Nash, but a legit point guard. Running isos for Pierce/Allen/Lewis isn't going to get you enough points to win.

And simply put - a team of West/Pierce/Allen/Lewis/Jefferson would never win a chip. They'd get hosed by the Detroit Pistons and other teams that actually, you know, play defense. That team has a better chance at a chip than the current team, but really not that much. Lewis shrinks when it matters the most and managed to miss crucial playoff games with a minor injury.

You don't trade this pick to win fifty games and never win anything, because that's the optimum that Pierce/Lewis/Allen can give.

How the hell do you get Allen, Lewis, and Pierce on the court at the same time?

AWF seems to think you can stick Lewis at the 4 without having every decent power forward in the NBA go off for 35 each night.

To simplify this, take the Sonics minus their legit PG in Ridnour, and add Pierce. It doesn't make them anything close to contenders. It makes them a playoff team. We've been a mediocre playoff team before. I think the ultimate goal is to win championships, not first round exits.

[#1AntoineWalkerFan]

Originally Posted by P-Dub34

AWF seems to think you can stick Lewis at the 4 without having every decent power forward in the NBA go off for 35 each night.

every decent pf like who??...cliff robinson?? joe smith?? david lee??? pj brown??? do i have to go on with the pathetic pfs that are in the east (lee isnt pathetic but hes not a great player)...the only ones that he wouldnt be able to defend would be bosh and jermaine and possibly antawn jamison...THIS ISNT THE WEST...he wont have to guard brand, duncan, boozer, amare etc for 4 games each per year...

To simplify this, take the Sonics minus their legit PG in Ridnour, and add Pierce. It doesn't make them anything close to contenders. It makes them a playoff team.

YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT!! minus one thing...they are in the westttttttttttt...you cant say take off ridnour and put pierce on the sonics because THAT IS THE WEST...do you not realize how pathetic the east is in comparison??

[P-Dub34]

every decent pf like who??...cliff robinson?? joe smith?? david lee??? pj brown???

Big men in the East who will have a field day with the 4/5 tandem of Lewis/Jefferson:

Chris Bosh
Nenad Krstic
Eddy Curry
Rasheed Wallace
Drew Gooden
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Jermaine O'Neal
Dwight Howard
Shaquille O'Neal
Emeka Okafor
Antawn Jamison

At least one big from almost every team will absolutely abuse these guys all night long.

YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT!! minus one thing...they are in the westttttttttttt...you cant say take off ridnour and put pierce on the sonics because THAT IS THE WEST...do you not realize how pathetic the east is in comparison??

Granted, the East is awful, but, as I mentioned, this move makes the Celtics nothing more than a first-to-mid-round exit playoff team. Yippee.

[ehmunro]