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Minnesota does not have to trade with the Celtics and they would not agree to a trade that involves them taking on Wally's contract. In my opinion, we can keep the fifth selection in a Garnett trade or at the very least, a swap of first-round picks. Ratliff's contract and Jefferson are quite valuable and Gerald Green gives them a good propsect. Add Telfair's contract and Minnesota's future first that we own [that won't amount to anything] and that's fairly realistic.

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Causeway

It used to be that -

we'd have to give up Pierce to get Garnett. Now a possibility exists that we have enough other pieces to be able to get Garnett, and some would rather keep the pieces.

Thanks Danny.

ehmunro

Garnett has a trade kicker, which means that his salary for next year (for trade purposes) is around $29 million (I believe, I'm not certain whether the kicker gets divided between the two years for a trade). So Wally would have to be included to make the numbers work. On the bright side, we can relieve you of another bit of effluvium, such as Marko Jaric.

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The trade kicker is allocated over his two remaining years [including the ETO year].

Originally Posted by JCB http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2761~2389~687~2417~261&teams=16~16~16~16~2 I do not think that this rumor has any truth to it, but don't use ESPN's trade kicker when it's information is false. First off, when Garnett signed his 100M extension in 2003, the contract included a trade kicker, likely worth the maximum 15% of the remaining value of the contract. Since trade kickers do include early termination option years, Garnett's trade bonus of 6.75M would allocate over two years, making Garnett's current contract value 25.375M. Eighty percent of that figure minus $100,000 is 20.2M. Subtracting the contracts of Ratliff, Telfair, Jefferson, and Green leaves the Celtics acquiring 25.375M in salary while only trading 18.150938M in salary. The Celtics would need to trade at least 2.049062M more in salary. Enter Tony Allen and Allan Ray and their combined salaries of 2.556M. Effectively the Celtics would be trading six players for one player; however, in my opinion, there is no need to include the fifth selection, as Jefferson is an all-star talent, Ratliff's contract is paid by insurance, and Green is a decent prospect.

Minnesota is not going to trade for Szczerbiak, so perhaps the Celtics can trade him to Utah in exchange for depth.

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Congrats on 16,000 - now get a life!

DaBosox

Grats. At 2/3 of my age you've officially forgotten more basketball than I'll ever know.

Getting Pierce and KG is a great goal, but we're going to need other players on the court. This game isn't just a 5 on 2. I think we can pass by at the 1 with Rondo or some point guard not named Guns or Delonte, a pick in the early first round, and a healthy tony allen. We've given enough scrubs time in the past three years to compose a bench.

I'm for this deal if only 2/3 of the following leave: the 5, AJ, or Green. Salaries can be fudged with the proper incentives. I'd have a strong preference to losing the 5 and Green, since AJ is developed enough and hopefully with some expiring deals we can keep him around.

Not to mention his stats go down on an absolutely loaded team with KG and Pierce.

Edit: I need to learn english.

Premier

I think Boston's greatest advantage in a possible KG deal is the ability to trade an all-star talent like Al Jefferson. Green's trade value cannot be much more than the second-round pick that Denver traded for J.R. Smith. The fifth selection is nice, but Horford and Wright may never be better than Jefferson and even though Al's timing for his breakout is questionable, he is a proven player. I think negotiations begin with Ratliff, Jefferson, and Green. Salary then becomes an issue and Boston will need to find a third team [Utah] to deal Szczerbiak to in exchange for depth.

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vandyke

This isn't working in Trade Checker for me, can someone explain to me how this trade would work? I can't make it work with Theo or Wally's salary. I think Al, Gerald, Theo, Sebastian and # 5 is way too much to give up, I would swap #5 for #7 and give them back their owed number 1, if you can show me how this works in trade checker I am all for it, take Jeff Green at 7 and put a lineup of Delonte, Pierce, Green, Garnett, and Perk on the floor next year.

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hollywood476

I'm from Minnesota and I have to tell you, Wally and KG didn't get along so I don't know what your talking about saying that Wally would feel like playing again.

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Premier

Don't use trade checkers. They do not account for Garnett's trade kicker. Garnett's '07-'08 salary is likely 25.375M. Using the traded player exception since both teams are over the salary cap limit, the Celtics would need to trade 80% of that figure minus $100,000, which equals 20.2M. Subtract Ratliff's 11.667M salary, Telfair's 2.562M salary, Jefferson's 2.481M salary, and Green's 1.441M salary from 20.2M and you get about 2.049M, meaning the Celtics need to trade at least 2.049M more salary. This most likely means Tony Allen and Allan Ray, players that the Timberwolves can waive. However, this is a six for one deal [I'm not including the fifth selection, because I think it's too much to give up] and the deal would leave the Celtics under the minimum roster limit of twelve players and without any depth, which means the Celtics will have to find a way to either trade Szczerbiak to Minnesota instead of Telfair, Allen, or Ray, or they would have to include a third team. Minnesota's not going to trade for Scalabrine, in my opinion, since he is owed 9.622M over the next three years.

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ehmunro

Perhaps fold it in, with Szczerbiak & West going for AK-47 & #25 and then Kirilenko, Ratliff, Green, and Jefferson going for Garnett + salary dump. I don't think Minnesota is going to trade Garnett while keeping Jaric & Blount. Even McHale isn't that stupid, is he?

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whiterhino

I think Marion, Pierce and Jefferson is a great 3some and I think I like it better than KG/Pierce because it's 3 great players instead of 2. That said I would take KG too bc this is what we need I just like the other deal better. KG will kill our cap and we won't be able to afford a 3rd guy if Rondo can't be it.......and we give up a lot. Al could be a very big star and on top of that the 5, Green, Theo's cap space etc...its a lot but hey at this point I'll do anything to win

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