Five5even

My point is that Minny wont trade for what the C's are willing to offer, unless it includes Pierce or AJ. Players like theo and telfair are useless (there's a reason we traded him away).

Really, it works out to Garnett for Green/AJ

and Minny can get better than that UNLESS you also include the #5 with that trade, then it becomes a contender.

But you lose that trio of Pierce, KG, AJ that everyone here is sooo psyched about.


KG is not wanted anywhere in the Northwest, trust me.

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Amareca

Couple things.

Of course Phoenix isn't going to trade Marion for Ratliff and #5. They want to win NOW not rebuild. But would they trade Marion if they got KG and the pick and rebuilding parts would go to Minnesota who needs to rebuild? Probably.

Minnesota won't get Jefferson AND #5 from Boston in my opinion and they won't get Amare from Phoenix.

Also I think its questionable wether Garnett would 1) sign an extension with Boston, 2) waive his trade kicker that increases the payroll by slightly over 3M$ and pays him like 17M$ bonus that the team that trades for him has to pay him.

And like you already pointed out, salary wise Boston would have to include Ratliff and Wally with Jefferson to match KG. If you don't include Wally you end up having to trade 5 or 6 players to match KGs salary.

I just can't imagine Danny Ainge who loves young players, trading away basically the entire young core he acquired (Jefferson,#5, Green/West/Gomes) plus the big expiring contract and get in return a 31 year old KG who would likely make Boston better for the present but not really more than mediocre still.

Would Ainge rather have Garnett, Pierce, scrubs and Al Jefferson exploding in Minnesota or Pierce, Marion, Jefferson and all of the rest of the core except 1 of Gomes, West and Green? I think he would rather keep Jefferson and have Marion who Ainge loves and was responsible for picking. That should make the Celtics a playoff team as well most likely but they keep their young core specifically Jefferson.

bmac

Agree with everything Amareca just posted.

Plus you'd like to think that after everything KG has done for the Wolves over the years McHale would have the decency to trade him to a contender and not a rebuilding team like the Celtics.

ehmunro

And the nine million in cash that the T'wolves would collect on Ratliff's insurance policy and the long term contract that they'd be unloading (Jaric/Blount). Believe it or not, for some teams economics plays a factor in the personnel decisions. For Minnesota they might lose Garnett, but they clear up their long-term payroll, get a couple of highly marketable young players, get back one of their missing first round picks, and then go into full rebuilding mode. Kind of a necessity given the way the division just re-aligned. D¡ckering around the margins won't help them now.

Take a look around at the teams with sufficient salary to trade, and then get back to me. LA wasn't willing to give up their only good young player (Bynum). New York has nothing to offer Minnesota that's an upgrade on either Green/#5/pick return or AJ/Green/pick return. And they don't have a nine million dollar insurance payout to trade either. Chicago can't trade for him without including Wallace, and what the hell does a rebuilding team want with a grossly overpaid roleplayer? Aside from Boston, we always trade for those guys, presuming they fail their physicals. Who else do you see out there? Shawn Marion does zilch for a rebuilding team, and leaves Minnesota trying to trade a lesser player for young talent/picks. Due to that salary there just aren't a lot of landing spots for Garnett. The last scenario like this was the Shaq trade. How much did Miami give up then? Hell, the Lakers couldn't even get a first round pick in the 2004 draft, they had to settle for one from the first post-Shaq season (which was pretty ****ing worthless). Guys on over-max extensions don't get dealt for equivalent talent. That's the reality.

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ehmunro

Pierce and Garnett would be the best duo in the East. They'd be more than mediocre.

A 6'9"/6'7"/6'6" front line is going to get murdered, defensively, every night of the week. And murdered without providing a high-powered offense to compensate. The only good to come out of a Shawn Marion trade would be Matrix leaving Boston in disgust and Danny Ainge returning to work for TNT.

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"I do not know what the Queensberry rules are, sir, but the Wilde rules are to shoot on sight!" Oscar Wilde to the Marquis of Queensbury after being threatened by the former pugilist.

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Amareca

There is no player in the East that Shawn Marion can't defend except Shaq and Dwight.

Five5even

Garnett with an over-max extension won't be traded, unless there is a star on the other end. Minny might have the worst team in the league for the next few years with that trade.

Besides, Garnett would rather go to a team that will be guaranteed to contend for the next few years. he gets that with Chicago, Orlando and Los Angeles, not so much with Boston. Garnett would opt out after one year anyway.

TBH, i dont think Garnett will go anywhere unless there is a garnett, filler for Kobe trade. Which is not likely.

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Five5even

You didn't just compare Shaquille O'neal's trade scenario to Kevin Garnett...oh wait, yes you did. Thats a shame, because there is hardly a similarity.

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Minnesota will have the worst team in the league regardless. If they wait till next summer they'll get next to nothing for Garnett period. Because he can simply walk for a max deal someplace else. Any trade they make at that point will be for scraps. They have a very narrow within which to trade him and get anything.

Chicago can't trade for him, they don't have the salary without Minnesoata taking back Ben Wallace's 3/45 and paying P.J. Brown and his giant fork (as opposed to Szczerbiak's 2/25 and Theo's 1/2.5). LA won't give up Bynum, are you seriously telling us that Jordan Farmar and a low first is better than Jefferson? Orlando has only Howard or Milicic to trade. They aren't dealing the former and there's no galaxy where Milicic is better than Jefferson. And at the end of the day, Garnett & Pierce are the best duo in the East, in Boston he has a realistic shot at the finals. In the West? Not so much. None, really.

If he doesn't get traded this summer, he's leaving next summer. That's the reality.

How many players making $20+ million per year have been traded in the NBA again? I'm sorry, I was actually under the impression that guys making that sort of money being traded were a rarity. I had no idea it was so common.

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Premier

I agree, though I doubt they get Garnett, so this point has no relevance.

I agree.

It is questionable, but the Celtics would obviously have to talk to Garnett and his representation before making any sort of deal trading for him. Ideally, the Celtics can acquire Garnett and add him to Pierce and Horford. That is the basis of a playoff team and a possible contending team if the supporting cast is worked out. Garnett may leave, but the Celtics wouldn't trade for him if he didn't want to go there.

The deal needs a third team to take on Wally.

Ainge wants to keep his job.

I don't agree with this. The specifics of the deal, if it is being discussed which is unlikely, is not available. I doubt Ainge trades six players for Garnett and I do think that the deal requires a third team to trade Szczerbiak, which means Boston would only trade four players [Jefferson, Ratliff, Szczerbiak, and Green] and possibly acquire a bad contract or two [ehmunro suggested Blount and Jaric]. I think the Celtics wouldn't do this deal if they didn't understand that the motive was to win within three seasons.

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Five5even

I still dont see how taking on 5 contracts in exchange for minny's garnett is a positive for Minnesota. Having that many players locked in is detrimental to a teams progress, especially if they are trying to rebuild. Not to mention Boston is including useless people like Telfair and Ratliff.

With that said, Boston must trade AJ and probably the #5 with filler to even get a sniff at garnett, otherwise Minny will be content to let Garnett walk after next year and