#1AntoineWalkerFan

the hypocrisy that oden is claiming this is a board to discuss opinions and when causeway posted his opinion that its summer league and it doesnt really matter oden called him "ignorant"...you cant claim this is a place to post opinions and bash other ppl for their opinions

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So Glen Davis is short.

#1AntoineWalkerFan

does anyone have his exact measurements like from the pre draft camp or something cuz i could swear that i head he was a legit 6'9 with shoes, which wouldnt be that bad

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I believe it's 6'9.

ehmunro

Sure you can. Opinions can be ignorant.

In private workouts he measured in at 6'7-3/4" in his bare feet. Or half an inch shorter than Al.

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#1AntoineWalkerFan

so with shoes add an inch lets say...i dont think thats a bad height at all for a PF...i dont think anyone expects to have a 6'11 pf...his gerth might make him seem shorter than he really is but i have no worries about his height...i think even the announcers in the summer league think hes shorter than he really is while trying to say ppl like barkley didnt need great size to dominate...barkley was like 6'5 at best

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6'9 is not a bad height at all. He's a huge guy, extremely wide so that itself creates a lot of space for him which would make up for the so called lack of height. Boozer was deemed undersized by many and he blossomed into a star player last season. Antonio Davis was a 6'9 center and was one of the toughest players in his prime. Ben Wallace is another example of a big man who is generously listed at 6'9 while being closer to 6'8, but that doesn't stop him from being one of the league's best rebounder/shot blocker/defender.

Baby's not even expected to do much other than rebounding, and play hard. He'll be fine.

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Like most heavy people, Barkley gets shorter with age. When you have that beer & bacon belly your spine curves (making you shorter). During his playing days he was probably closer to 6'6". He was, as a young man, also explosively athletic. People tend to forget that the Round Mound of Rebound could really get off the floor in a way that the latter day "He's too short, huh? Somone tell Charles Barkley that!"s (sic) have never been. Larry Johnson was a lesser version of Charles, and just about as athletic. So, yes, 6'5" guys can survive, if they're so quick/fast that the bigger guys can't keep up and get so high off the ground that the bigger guys can't swat their shots at will. All this being my way of saying that neither Gomes nor Powe are the next Barkley.

As for Davis, I think he'll be fine with a couple of caveats. First, they have to impress upon him the importance of getting his *** into the gym and working on his strength. In college he got by on fat (using his bulk to protect his shot). That won't work in the pros, he needs power to add to his finesse. They also need to get him working with Ray on advancing his defense. He isn't a shot alterer in the way that Oden is, the blocks he gets are timing blocks. He's very good at recognising when his man will be exposing the ball and being at full extension before his man is ready to get his shot off. He won't alter a lot of shots, but he might still become an effective defender. Ray can help him with anticipation, teaching him how to read a play so that he positions himself properly to defend the rim, etc.. If he's willing to bust ***, he can be a good NBA player, and perhaps even an effective starter. But, he needs to start proving it in the gym and in the weight room.

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Not seeing the problem, I WAS discussing his opinion by calling it an ignorant one.

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He stated that on this board who have the right to exercise your opinions. He may have called him ignorant on the matter, but that right there is an opinion. It's called criticism, and he simply chipped him his two cents on what Causeway thought.

Please don't come into this forum to insult people. Thanks aqua.

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agoo101284

I'd like to thank you all for reapproaching the topic.

That sounds like someone who will alter shots. He isn't someone like Oden who will make you think twice about coming at him. But from what you're saying, it seems like he will make his man shoot at an angle that he didn't originally plan for.

I think a more appropriate comparison for Davis is Zach Randolph (minus legal issues we hope). Davis doesn't have Barkley's superior athleticism or freakishly long arms. He's just a big guy who knows how to use his weight to get his shot off. He definately needs to replace fat with muscle if he wants to achieve in the NBA. Randolph has changed some physically since being in the league and I think Davis can too. Clearly, we have the trainers in place to do it if you look at Perkins. Now if Davis could pick up Perks' work ethic to go with the skills he already has, that would be something.

ehmunro

What I was getting at is that guards aren't going to be making themselves aware of where Davis is on the floor, which is both a good thing and bad (more on that in a moment). Oden and Sean Williams should be what Duncan is, the sort of defensive presence that every opponent on the floor has to be aware of. Even if you're a shooting guard you have to know where guys like that are, and will think twice about driving the rim if they're in a position to defend.

Davis can really only alter his guy's shots. I think his instincts are good, and that Ray can make him into a competent lane defender, so that the other four opponents on the floor won't take special notice of him. This is one of Jefferson's problems, because of the way he runs around looking for shots to block, opponents look out for him, and use simple swings to open up clear lanes to the rim (by luring Jefferson out of position). Because Davis isn't trying to pad his block numbers, I don't think he'll be as easy to fool.

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