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Quite Frankly · 07-17-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by P-Dub34

Now, I don't think Oden will bust either, but you got anything else in your crystal ball that says exactly what will and will not happen?

You and your crony missed the point completely. I'm not comparing Oden and Davis as players - I never once even tried to do so. I'm using them as variables in your "formula." Figure it out before you reply, please. I'm merely noting that if you are using college + SL as criteria for how good a player is going to be in the NBA, you can't just do that for Glen Davis; it'd be hypocritical. You'd have to use it for everybody. So by GO saying that because of his college and summer league struggles, Davis won't be any good, you have to say the same for Oden, too, otherwise you're bending your criteria to suit your ends. Same with a guy like Kedrick Brown. His college strengths transferred to summer league. But he's bagging groceries at Co-Op now.

And the entire gist of my entire post was that your opinion is completely valid, as is Causeway's regarding how Davis will do. I SPECIFICALLY pointed that out. You are all getting so hung up on how good I think Davis will be compared to Oden that you're missing the point completely. My contention is only that you cannot judge the kind of NBA career a player will have from college and summer league alone. This has been proven time and time again.

And I'm not even saying Davis will or won't be any damn good. But I'm waiting until I see some NBA games to judge.

Obviously you didn't get our point. We didn't say Davis will never amount to anything in the NBA, but we simply stated his flaws will hinder his career, maybe to the extent of preventing him of being more than average. And you can judge upon a player from what you see from college and summer league. That is what they are going to be unless they improve upon it. Davis had a good 05-06 season, but had a let down last year, which leaves you wondering if he can improve or not.

**P-Dub34** · 07-17-2007, 10:01 PM

Actually, Oden said something along the lines of him being out of the NBA quickly. He wrote him off the board because of his college and SL careers, which is where I have a problem. I'm waiting to see him play some games in the big boy league before I say the guy will be out of the NBA in rapid fashion. Get it?

Quite Frankly · 07-18-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by P-Dub34

Actually, Oden said something along the lines of him being out of the NBA quickly. He wrote him off the board because of his college and SL careers, which is where I have a problem. I'm waiting to see him play some games in the big boy league before I say the guy will be out of the NBA in rapid fashion. Get it?

He will be gone if he doesn't improve. He didn't show signs of improvement in his last year of college and summer league. He might have a miraculous turnaround and maybe not, but it appears he will go the latter.

**#1AntoineWalkerFan** · 07-18-2007, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Quite Frankly

And you can judge upon a player from what you see from college and summer league. That is what they are going to be unless they improve upon it.

hahaha riiiiiiiiiiiight

Causeway · 07-18-2007, 09:34 AM

Like Kedrick Brown. He was in the NBA as he was in college and the summer league...oh, wait...

**P-Dub34** · 07-18-2007, 11:45 AM

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And you can judge upon a player from what you see from college and summer league. That is what they are going to be unless they improve upon it.

I haven't had a problem with a whole lot of what you've said until now. This is just plain wrong.

I guess Von Wafer and Marcus Banks will be elite scorers, then. Where's Kedrick Brown now? Didn't Kwame Brown abuse summer league? What about two-time All-America, jersey retired at Kansas, Nick Collison? What about LaFrentz? Wasn't he the conference player of the year twice? According to their college and summer leagues they should've been about the two best big men ever. Olowokandi? Lit up the NCAA in his last year at Pacific. Need any more examples? Because there have been too many guys who've destroyed the NBA and summer league only to lead very forgettable careers. Mo Ager, Azuibuike, Blatche, Novak, Shannon Brown, hell - Sebastian freaking Telfair were summer league all-stars in 2006. 2005's included Justin Reed, Josh Powell, Alex Acker, Eddie Basden, and on and on and on and on. That year Chris Paul and Leandro Barbosa were outplayed by Luke Jackson and Sebastian Telfair. Jose Juan Barea outplayed a lot of NBA rotation players in summer league this year.

But yeah, college and summer league are all you need to know about how a player's gonna pan out.

Check please.

Quite Frankly · 07-18-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by P-Dub34

I haven't had a problem with a whole lot of what you've said until now. This is just plain wrong.

I guess Von Wafer and Marcus Banks will be elite scorers, then. Where's Kedrick Brown now? Didn't Kwame Brown abuse summer league? What about two-time All-America, jersey retired at Kansas, Nick Collison? What about LaFrentz? Wasn't he the conference player of the year twice? According to their college and summer leagues they should've been about the two best big men ever. Olowokandi? Lit up the NCAA in his last year at Pacific. Need any more examples? Because there have been too many guys who've destroyed the NBA and summer league only to lead very forgettable careers.

Obviously they won't be elite scorers, that would be taking summer league a little bit too seriously. I didn't hear about them in college, and I heard bits and pieces about them in summer league. Did they have good games in summer league? Yes, but it doesn't translate into stardom. Marcus Banks played one game in summer league and happened to score 42 points, that doesn't mean he will be an elite scorer. Heck LaFrentz has scored 32 in game before, but he ain't no elite scorer. Has Kwame showed anything in the NBA before summer league? No. Kandi man? HE PLAYED AT PACIFIC. Who is Kendrick Brown? Is he even on a team?

Nick Collison has been hurt for most of his career, up until last year really, and had a decent season for guy trying to get back into his funk. So as for Collison, we will see.

**P-Dub34** · 07-18-2007, 12:03 PM

But you just said college + summer league determines how good a player would be. Now when you're faced with this you say it's "taking it too seriously"?

Please. You seem like a nice enough guy, but I'm not typing any more posts dedicated to how wrong you are about college and summer league accurately showing how a player's career is going to pan out. That's ignorant. How good of a player you are going to be is judged by how well a guy plays in the National Basketball Association.

Period.

Quite Frankly · 07-18-2007, 12:07 PM

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But you just said college + summer league determines how good a player would be. Now when you're faced with this you say it's "taking it too seriously"?

Please.

Alright, lets get this straight. Summer league is typically easy to experienced players. Glen Davis did decent in summer league, but definitely showed flaws, which is why he won't good as a pro. College he showed them, and even summer league he showed them. What happens when he is the NBA at the 4? He won't make a good pro.

Obviously you can't comprehend this. Ignorance is bliss.

**agoo101284** · 07-18-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Quite Frankly

Alright, lets get this straight. Summer league is typically easy to experienced players. Glen Davis did decent in summer league, but definitely showed flaws, which is why he won't good as a pro. College he showed them, and even summer league he showed them. What happens when he is the NBA at the 4? He won't make a good pro.

Obviously you can't comprehend this. Ignorance is bliss.

Or he just has weaknesses he needs to work on.

Lets talk about them.

**P-Dub34** · 07-18-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Quite Frankly

Alright, lets get this straight. Summer league is typically easy to experienced players. Glen Davis did decent in summer league, but definitely showed flaws, which is why he won't good as a pro. College he showed them, and even summer league he showed them. What happens when he is the NBA at the 4? He won't make a good pro.

Obviously you can't comprehend this. Ignorance is bliss.

Just because you're arrogant doesn't mean you're right. While tactfully ignoring my points, you also failed to realize that I'm agreeing that summer league and college do give us some indication as to a player's worth. But it's not the be all and end all that you think it is, as I've proven and you've yet to find a counter for. I'm not even upset that you disagree with me, because that's what boards are all about, I'm just frustrated that you select tiny parts of my post and leave the rest of it, which proved unequivocally that college + summer league don't prove how successful someone is going to be in the league. And you still seem to believe I'm on one side or the other about how good Davis is going to be. I guess somebody forgot to tell that to Brad Miller, Ben Wallace, and the scores of other players that have had careers vastly different than their collegiate and summer league ones.

As for "Kendrick Brown," don't worry about him. I guess you were only ten or eleven when he was drafted, lit up summer league, an subsequently busted.

But hey, keep ignoring the truth. Ignorance is bliss, right?

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Lets talk about them.

No. It's already said and done that the guy's going to be out of the NBA after his rookie contract is up anyways, so why waste the time?

Quite Frankly · 07-18-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by P-Dub34

Just because you're arrogant doesn't mean you're right. While tactfully ignoring my points, you also failed to realize that I'm agreeing that summer league and college do give us some indication as to a player's worth. But it's not the be all and end all that you think it is, as I've proven and you've yet to find a counter for. I'm not even upset that you disagree with me, because that's what boards are all about, I'm just frustrated that you select tiny parts of my post and leave the rest of it, which proved unequivocally that college + summer league don't prove how successful someone is going to be in the league. And you still seem to believe I'm on one side or the other about how good Davis is going to be. I guess somebody forgot to tell that to Brad Miller, Ben Wallace, and the scores of other players that have had careers vastly different than their collegiate and summer league ones.

As for "Kendrick Brown," don't worry about him. I guess you were only ten or eleven when he was drafted, lit up summer league, an subsequently busted.

But hey, keep ignoring the truth. Ignorance is bliss, right?

No. It's already said and done that the guy's going to be out of the NBA after his rookie contract is up anyways, so why waste the time?

Wow you ignorant.

Ben Wallace

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As a senior, Wallace earned Division II All-American first team honors after averaging 12.5 ppg., 10.5 rpg. and 3.7 bpg. and leading Virginia Union to the Division II Final Four and a 28-3 record. As a junior he averaged 14.4 ppg. and 9.5 rpg., and was a two-year starter at Cuyahoga Community College (Ohio) where as a sophomore he averaged 24 ppg., 17 rpg. and 7 bpg.

I guess we figured he wouldn't be an excellent shot blocker from this.

http://www.usabasketball.com/biosmen...llace_bio.html

Brad Miller

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• In his four seasons (1994-95 through 1997-98) at Purdue, the Boilermakers compiled a 97-33 for a 74.6 winning percentage, while making four NCAA Tournament appearances, and claiming two Big Ten Conference titles.

• Played in 127 games in four seasons at Purdue, averaged during his career 11.9 ppg., 6.7 rpg., 2.0 apg., while shooting 57.2 percent from the field, 75.4 percent from the foul line.

• Named Honorable Mention All-America by the Associated Press after his senior season at Purdue in 1997-98, also selected Purdue's co-MVP senior season.

• One of only three players in Purdue history to top 1,300 career points, 700 rebounds and 200 assists.

• Capped career with 1,530 points which currently ranks 16th all-time at Purdue, also tallied 862 rebounds and ranks fourth all-time. Also ranks third all-time in career free throws made (543) and attempted (720), fourth in career blocked shots (163), fifth in career field goal percentage (.572), eighth in career steals(145), eighth in career games played (128), 10th in career double-doubles (28), 23rd in career assists (257).

• As a senior averaged team-highs of 17.2 ppg., 8.9 rpg. and shot 63.2 percent from the field and fifth-best in the nation.

• As a senior ranked in Big Ten Conference standings second in field goal percentage, third in rebounding, fourth in blocked shots and fifth in scoring.

• Named All-Big Ten Second Team as a junior.

http://www.usabasketball.com/biosmen...iller_bio.html

Seems Brad Miller played like crap in college as well. Ignorance is bliss you were saying?

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