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Old 07-19-2007, 08:29 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Problem is (Front &) Center

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How the hell would this team play defense against any team with a center and a power forward (Miami, Cleveland, Milwaukee, etc.)?
Please direct all your questions towards Danny Ainge, not me, I didn't trade for those guys.

Jefferson has shown he can't play power forward.

Perkins has shown he can't stay in the game longer than 15 minutes.

Gomes has shown that he's a valuable player.

I'm just putting the puzzles together.
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Old 07-19-2007, 08:39 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Problem is (Front &) Center

When did Jefferson prove he couldn't play power forward? He looked lost when I saw him try to play the 5.
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Old 07-19-2007, 09:05 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Re: Problem is (Front &) Center

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When did Jefferson prove he couldn't play power forward? He looked lost when I saw him try to play the 5.
His first three years he was playing the 4. Last year he was our Center. A constant lineup of Jefferson, Gomes and three guards proves that.
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Old 07-19-2007, 10:48 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: Problem is (Front &) Center

Actually the most common 5 man unit containing both Gomes and Jefferson had Perkins playing center. In fact, when Gomes and Jefferson were on the court together, there was a 3-guard lineup only 21% of the time. If we consider Wally Szcerbiak and Gerald Green as guards that number jumps to 47%. Still the majority of the time that Gomes and Jefferson played together, there were only two guards on the court.
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Re: Problem is (Front &) Center

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Actually the most common 5 man unit containing both Gomes and Jefferson had Perkins playing center. In fact, when Gomes and Jefferson were on the court together, there was a 3-guard lineup only 21% of the time. If we consider Wally Szcerbiak and Gerald Green as guards that number jumps to 47%. Still the majority of the time that Gomes and Jefferson played together, there were only two guards on the court.
They must not have kept stats once Perkins got injured.

In either case, Al Jefferson not playing Center will bite us in the ***.
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yes they did it was 82games.com
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Old 07-21-2007, 04:37 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Re: Problem is (Front &) Center

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If he's not, then by your standards there are only about ten in the NBA. Paul Pierce a second option? Please.

Look at his track record of teams he's taken to the playoffs. Look at the players on them. Then try and tell me Pierce can't lead a team.
I think what narrator (I could be wrong) is saying is that Pierce is not a vocal leader. He is a #1 option on the floor, but not a general off it. This is widely believed.
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Re: Problem is (Front &) Center

This team won't have any problems with leadership next year. Pierce is a good but not great leader and it was Antoine Walker who constantly motivated him that year when they made the conference finals(incidentally when he came back that half a season they made the playoffs again). I think Ray Allen will provide the same leadership qualities that Antoine brought. Pierce is a great player but he can't lead by himself, which is fine because now he has help.

As for the center position. Getting Harrison or Foster would obviously help. A healthy Ratliff can do wonders for the team also.
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Old 07-22-2007, 05:24 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Re: Problem is (Front &) Center

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This team won't have any problems with leadership next year. Pierce is a good but not great leader and it was Antoine Walker who constantly motivated him that year when they made the conference finals(incidentally when he came back that half a season they made the playoffs again). I think Ray Allen will provide the same leadership qualities that Antoine brought. Pierce is a great player but he can't lead by himself, which is fine because now he has help.
I agree wholeheartedly. I think Allen's character and leadership will be as valuable if not more so than anything he does on the court.

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As for the center position. Getting Harrison or Foster would obviously help. A healthy Ratliff can do wonders for the team also.
I'm not betting on Ratliff but if by some miracle he could play a full season at anywhere near his past level he would be as good or better than anyone else we could hope to get. Contract years have proven to be miracle worker for other player so who knows???
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Old 07-22-2007, 06:32 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I doubt Theo plays beyond his current contract.
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Re: Problem is (Front &) Center

If Theo just puts on his jersey and step on the floor, he's good for 2 blocks and numerous altered shots, along with some rebounds in 10-13 minutes. He doesn't need to be the player he used to be, just needs to get healthy. Even with injuries I see no reason he can't play as well as the 40 year old mutumbo.

Of course, him being healthy to put on his jersey itself is a big big IF.
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id rather trade his expiring contract then hope that he plays as well as a 40 year old mutumbo
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Re: Problem is (Front &) Center

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Actually the most common 5 man unit containing both Gomes and Jefferson had Perkins playing center. In fact, when Gomes and Jefferson were on the court together, there was a 3-guard lineup only 21% of the time. If we consider Wally Szcerbiak and Gerald Green as guards that number jumps to 47%. Still the majority of the time that Gomes and Jefferson played together, there were only two guards on the court.
When Al is on the floor he defends the lane. Not the opposing team's perimeter big. The PF/C designations are becoming as meaningless as the SF/SG ones. There are tasks to be handled, the ones Al handles are defending the lane, and getting lured out of position to chase down blocks. Unfortunately that's exactly the same thing that Perkins is best at. So while Al is "playing the 4" it's generally Perkins that gets the thankless task of defending the pick & roll and chasing around after perimeter bigs.
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