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Re: Telfair 27 pts and 11 assists
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you do realize that nash was drafted in 96........................
and you also realize that a player can get better as he gains more experience in the nba right??? the kid didnt get regular starting minutes and games played til 00-01...so with your logic it only took him 2 years to "make a name for himself"...god forbid he didnt come into the league as a rookie and tear it up
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Nash has been getting regular minutes since the strike season. He didn't start "making his teammates better" until he arrived in Phoenix. It wasn't some sudden development, it was playing in a system that maximised his utility with multiple all stars and scorers that people started wanking over him. Nowitzki certainly got better after Nash left. Josh Howard made his quantum leap after Nash took off.
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12-24-2007, 06:04 PM
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Re: Telfair 27 pts and 11 assists
So its safe to say Rondo can be the next Steve Nash in the right system then. Billups wasn't much either before Detroit. Rondo can get that good I think with the celtics BUT I cannot expect this much on him but it could happen.
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12-24-2007, 06:13 PM
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Re: Telfair 27 pts and 11 assists
The Celtics made the right move stickin with Rondo, but I think it's hard to argue that Telfair could become a great PG with some maturity and development.
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12-24-2007, 10:36 PM
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Re: Telfair 27 pts and 11 assists
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So its safe to say Rondo can be the next Steve Nash in the right system then. Billups wasn't much either before Detroit. Rondo can get that good I think with the celtics BUT I cannot expect this much on him but it could happen.
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Billups was pretty good in Minnesota, too, but no one trusted the performance. So in yet another bad decision they decided to let Billups walk and stick with (the half-crippled) Terrell Brandon instead.
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12-25-2007, 06:54 AM
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Re: Telfair 27 pts and 11 assists
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Guy are you serious, Nash wasnt anything until 02/03. You yourself said Nash makes the players better around him so even if he didnt get playing time until 01, he was already 5 years in. How come he wasnt making guys better right off the bat, like some other top PG's
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yea...crucify nash because he didnt tear the league up by storm "right off the bat"...how many pgs do that??? chris paul maybe?? who else?...a guy isnt great because he wasnt great from the beginning? yea, getting better and better every year is a terrible thing...he sucks because he wasnt as good in 96 as he is now
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12-25-2007, 08:33 AM
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Re: Telfair 27 pts and 11 assists
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yea...crucify nash because he didnt tear the league up by storm "right off the bat"...how many pgs do that??? chris paul maybe?? who else?...a guy isnt great because he wasnt great from the beginning? yea, getting better and better every year is a terrible thing...he sucks because he wasnt as good in 96 as he is now
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Nice duck and dodge as you didnt respond to me nor ehmunro. Even though what you are saying in your last 2 posts isnt what you started out saying.
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12-25-2007, 02:47 PM
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Re: Telfair 27 pts and 11 assists
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Nice duck and dodge as you didnt respond to me nor ehmunro. Even though what you are saying in your last 2 posts isnt what you started out saying.
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how is that a duck and dodge??? i clearly responded...you said
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Lets not get into semantics here. I do know he was drafted in 96, typing error on my behalf. I also do know that prior to 02/03 Steve Nash did not come up in best point guard lists. Steve Nash wasnt known for making players better. Its that simple, even if he had just gotten playing time in 01 he still wasnt setting the league on fire. You can choose to ignore it all you want, but 02/03 is when Nash became relevant.
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i said....yea crucify him for getting better from 96 to 01 and eventually from 01 to 02-03...
listen...no matter what your opinion is, nash IS a 2 time nba mvp....and thats not an opinion...no "system" can make just any player a 2 time mvp...he is great...whether you believe so or not
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12-25-2007, 09:19 PM
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Re: Telfair 27 pts and 11 assists
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yea...crucify nash because he didnt tear the league up by storm "right off the bat"...how many pgs do that??? chris paul maybe?? who else?...a guy isnt great because he wasnt great from the beginning? yea, getting better and better every year is a terrible thing...he sucks because he wasnt as good in 96 as he is now
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Damon Stoudamire was good right off the bat. Isiah Thomas was.
Deron Williams it took a yr. Jason Kidd it took 2.
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12-26-2007, 08:07 AM
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Re: Telfair 27 pts and 11 assists
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Damon Stoudamire was good right off the bat. Isiah Thomas was.
Deron Williams it took a yr. Jason Kidd it took 2.
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so just because it only took 2 years for kidd to "get good" does that make nash any less of a player than kidd because it may have took him longer??
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Re: Telfair 27 pts and 11 assists
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so just because it only took 2 years for kidd to "get good" does that make nash any less of a player than kidd because it may have took him longer??
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Im leaving this debate now because as I stated, what you are arguing now, isnt your initial arguement
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Re: Telfair 27 pts and 11 assists
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Im leaving this debate now because as I stated, what you are arguing now, isnt your initial arguement
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please, before you go, let me know what my initial arguement was...because i believe it was that nash is a great pg...if it was something else then i would like to know
2 time nba mvp
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12-26-2007, 09:25 PM
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Re: Telfair 27 pts and 11 assists
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so just because it only took 2 years for kidd to "get good" does that make nash any less of a player than kidd because it may have took him longer??
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Nope. But I am pretty sure Telfair will not get there. Hes a bonehead.
But yea just because it took Nash and Billups awhile doesn't mean their worse at all.
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