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ray_allen_20 · 03-14-2008, 07:09 PM

We really could've used Ray tonight. He always has his way with the Jazz. Pierce and the jumpshooters couldn't get anything to go. I'm confident we would beat this team in a best of 7 series.

LamarButler · 03-14-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ray_allen_20

We really could've used Ray tonight. He always has his way with the Jazz. Pierce and the jumpshooters couldn't get anything to go. I'm confident we would beat this team in a best of 7 series.

Yea, I'm confident also. The refs can't be this bad in a 7 game series.

Our glaring weakness is rebounding. We really need to crash the boards. Garnett has to be that 13 rpg player he's been his whole career. Pierce needs to step up from the SF position and give our big guys help on the boards. He is a great rebounder at the SF position, but hasn't shown it this season.

**unluckyseventeen** · 03-14-2008, 07:28 PM

...Enough of blaming the loss on the refs.

LamarButler · 03-14-2008, 08:30 PM

I don't blame it all on the refs. The Jazz destroyed the Celts by crashing the offensive boards and getting easy layup after easy layup with their back cuts. They hit big shots.

But the refs we're terrible for the Celtics. They had Pierce, Rondo and Perkins all with 3 fouls before the 2nd half. Williams shot 18 free throws. The offensive foul on Pierce late in the game on the baseline was an absolutely terrible call. Rondo was called for 2 offensive fouls when they said he pushed off, but Williams was doing that all game. The Jazz played a better game tonight. Pierce played awful, which really ruined our chances. But the referees are definitely a factor and this would've been a closer and better game without the crappy officiating.

**unluckyseventeen** · 03-14-2008, 08:49 PM

Maybe. I was noticing some really inconsistent reffing, if anything. They'd call a foul for something, then the next minute wouldn't call anything for the same thing. Usually reffing is bad for both teams, and I wouldn't say it was unfair for either. Violet Palmer is a bad ref and usually calls the game REALLY erratically on both ends.

The C's probably got the short end of the stick but it wasn't overwhelming. They could have still easily won this game with some rebounding and execution late in the game. There were a few plays tonight that convinced me that Boston wasn't trying their hardest, and without a full-blown effort they probably didn't deserve to win anyway.

LamarButler · 03-14-2008, 09:51 PM

Now that you say it, I'm really starting to believe it was a lack of effort by the Celts.

The Celtics have really coasted a few times this season. I really don't believe that Pierce had this awful game because he was having an off night or because he was shut down. I think its because he wasn't into it. He wasn't even looking for opportunities on offense. He didn't even take any shots, or show much emotion.

I don't know why the Celtics would take a game off against an elite team. One that would test them and prepare them for playoff intensity basketball. It disappoints me. I don't want these guys to become the next Detroit Pistons.

knicksfan89 · 03-15-2008, 12:33 AM

but we are still the atlantic division champions after the raps lost to denver so it wasn't all bad news for us I am still proud for the celtics and I got what I wanted as well as a blue devils win tonight

**23AJ** · 03-15-2008, 12:53 AM

Tough loss tonight guys. The Jazz really came out and put forth one of their best games this season. Hats off to the Jazz, they're a solid team.

However tonight really showcased to me how important Ray Allen is. Ray commands a great deal of respect from teams, even if we all agree/disagree he's the third most valued player on the team. (At Least Thats What I Use To Think) In a game like this though Rays stroke would of probably made him the most valued member of the big 3. The Celtics are truly built around the big 3. As much as they are unselfish, and incorporate team ball. And play great team defense. This team still needs' its 3 stars to either all shine at the same time ( Those Games have been amazing!) or have all three stars to be playing so that one can step up and capitalize on the team the celtics are playing. In reality as I start to watch the Celtics more, and more over the season. It's true KG is the Celtics Superstar MVP etc player. However what I'm realizing is that Ray, Paul, and KG are all equally important to the Celtics winning. I no longer rank any of the three over any of the others. These 3 on the floor together are simply like the greatest superstar in the league who will find a way to win. Celtics need all 3 to succeed.

All that being said, i realize the Celtics have won with out KG, and Ray in the lineup. But as the playoff stretch approached, and when the playoffs start. Games, are going to be played at level x 10.

Anyways i digress.. Right now seems like a perfect time for the Celtics to start another 10 game winning streak. Especially since they have their western conference road trip coming up.

And tonights games didnt exactly shape up the way I was hoping.

**Avalanche** · 03-15-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by unluckyseventeen

...Enough of blaming the loss on the refs.

Not a chance, a loss is a loss....

the streak had to end, they always do, Utah is a strong team 1-5, and will cause any team in the league trouble.

sure its a loss, but the likelyhood of us meeting them in the finals are slim n none, we are still playing well and without ray for the majority of a game we are always going to struggle

nice win unluckyseventeen

**unluckyseventeen** · 03-15-2008, 08:44 AM

There was one play tonight where Boston just must've not cared. Tony Allen got a 1-on-3 fast break and came all the way down only to be locked up at the rim. He passed out to the 3-point line thinking he had teammates, but his entire team didn't run the floor, they just sat there on the defensive end. There's no excuse for not putting forth the effort. Not to mention that rebounding is almost always about effort, and Boston got killed on the glass.

LamarButler · 03-15-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by unluckyseventeen

There was one play tonight where Boston just must've not cared. Tony Allen got a 1-on-3 fast break and came all the way down only to be locked up at the rim. He passed out to the 3-point line thinking he had teammates, but his entire team didn't run the floor, they just sat there on the defensive end. There's no excuse for not putting forth the effort. Not to mention that rebounding is almost always about effort, and Boston got killed on the glass.

Well, not only did the Celtics not sprint in transition, but those plays by Tony Allen were really stupid. I hate when that Tony Allen shows up. He made the same exact mistake 3 possessions in a row. At least 2/3 were easy layups. Even if he didn't have the layup, he didn't have to jump and find someone while he was in the air. He really ruined some momentum we had.

mrsister · 03-15-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by unluckyseventeen

There was one play tonight where Boston just must've not cared. Tony Allen got a 1-on-3 fast break and came all the way down only to be locked up at the rim. He passed out to the 3-point line thinking he had teammates, but his entire team didn't run the floor, they just sat there on the defensive end. There's no excuse for not putting forth the effort. Not to mention that rebounding is almost always about effort, and Boston got killed on the glass.

Well, on that play, the pass was nearly the entire length of the floor. Even if the other four Celtics had taken off, there still wouldn't have been anyone for Tony to pass to. It was basically up to Tony to finish the play. I really don't know why he wouldn't finish. At the very least, he'd get fouled and go to the line. There's no way anyone would've been in position to take a charge and a clean block would've been unlikely.

You can't blame the loss on the refs, but they sure made it a lot harder for the Celtics to gain any sort of momentum. Every time Violet calls a Celtics game, it seems to be called poorly. It's pretty consistent. All refs make bad calls, but she seems to rarely favor the Celtics. It's a little suspicious.

**unluckyseventeen** · 03-15-2008, 11:59 AM

Saying that the refs are for or against one team or another is BS.

The only history that amounts to much of anything is that Violet Palmer seems to really ref against the home team a lot. I guess take that for what you will, but no ref out there is out to screw over Boston, or favor Utah. That's actually really contradictory.

AK-47 · 03-15-2008, 01:53 PM

Lol yeah no kidding, the league financially, if they were to rig it, would want the Celtics to win 100x more than they would the Jazz. The Jazz is a small market franchise and wouldn't really create a lot of revenue by the league favoring them.

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