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**Diable** · 12-31-2012, 02:25 PM

I'm not honestly convinced that Cousins is really going to be a good player at this point, but it's obvious that the Celtics are not going to succeed with their current roster. Bradley'll make them a bit better, but that doesn't change much. A Cousins trade is a pretty good gamble, but it's not like you have much to lose in the grand scheme. It's about the only move available which doesn't involve trading away your entire core.

**Bogg** · 12-31-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Diable

I'm not honestly convinced that Cousins is really going to be a good player at this point, but it's obvious that the Celtics are not going to succeed with their current roster. Bradley'll make them a bit better, but that doesn't change much. A Cousins trade is a pretty good gamble, but it's not like you have much to lose in the grand scheme. It's about the only move available which doesn't involve trading away your entire core.

I think the obvious comparison is Zach Randolph, right down to being shipped out of town on a discount, but that basically sums up how I feel about it. Regardless of how it works out, preserving the status quo isn't going to end up accomplishing anything and there's no other trade out there with as much upside.

doctordrizzay · 01-01-2013, 06:31 PM

Lol Rondo and Cousins. They arnt going to work.

**Floods** · 01-02-2013, 02:07 PM

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Except he has a good relationship with Doc, and a few teammates have come out this past year basically saying Rondo's stepped up and become team leader, as well as saying that Ray was having problems with a few people in the locker room (it's why you heard Pierce say how important it was to retain KG last year, but wasn't as strong on Ray). I mean, if you want to pretend it's still 2010 and the vets are mad about Rondo wanting to be treated as an all-star, that's cool, but it isn't what's happening anymore.

2010? Try last season for Rondo drama in the locker room. He needs more than three months of keeping his head screwed on tight for me to be convinced.

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Obviously everything depends on Cousins being able to turn things around in Boston, it's why he's available and essentially the whole point of a potential trade. I'm also not going to turn this into me saying that Bradley and Sullinger don't have value, because they're both nice supporting players. However, the facts are that Bradley's a defensive role-player with a history of getting banged up and having to miss time, and Sullinger's a PF-C who's under 6'8" with a bad back. Neither one's a guy you can build a team around, and neither are going to take over a playoff series. This is a veteran, win-now squad that's under .500 with no chance of beating Miami as constructed. Cousins, if his head is screwed on straight, is one of the only guys who's both available at a discount and able to give Boston a punchers' chance this spring.

Why does it matter if they aren't franchise players? Even if the behavioral problems straighten out, Cousins has a ways to go before he could be considered a decent building block, considering he doesn't play any defense and has gawdawful shot selection, and 3 years in Sacramento all but cemented those bad habits. I'd much rather have the two guys who know how to play.

And yeah, Sullinger and Bradley could get injured, while Cousins very well could continue to be a dumbshit and amount to a waste of assets. I'd bet money on the latter.

This team isn't winning with Cousins, unless he turns into 2000 Shaq overnight.

**Bogg** · 01-02-2013, 02:25 PM

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2010? Try last season for Rondo drama in the locker room. He needs more than three months of keeping his head screwed on tight for me to be convinced.

The problems were with Ray, and as other guys who were in the locker room have said, Ray was having problems with more than just Rondo. Beyond Ray, he got along very well with the majority of the team.

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Why does it matter if they aren't franchise players? Even if the behavioral problems straighten out, Cousins has a ways to go before he could be considered a decent building block, considering he doesn't play any defense and has gawdawful shot selection, and 3 years in Sacramento all but cemented those bad habits. I'd much rather have the two guys who know how to play.

It matters that they aren't all-stars because the team isn't going anywhere with the guys that know how to play. Unless they unload Pierce and KG for a complete tear-down, this is the Celtics for the next year or two beyond this season, and they don't have what it takes. Long term, a Rondo-Bradley-Lee-Green-Sullinger core is good for 36-40 wins and an eight-seed. It's absolutely a situation that might not work out, but regardless of whether or not the organization can handle him (and I think they have a good shot at it), you aren't gambling much in the trade.

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And yeah, Sullinger and Bradley could get injured, while Cousins very well could continue to be a dumbshit and amount to a waste of assets. I'd bet money on the latter.

This team isn't winning with Cousins, unless he turns into 2000 Shaq overnight.

The exact same things were all said about Zach Randolph, and he went from being literally given away by multiple teams to a borderline franchise guy just by getting his head screwed on straight. He doesn't have to be a good defender - Brandon Bass wasn't last year when the team almost made the Finals with him. All Cousins needs to do is park himself in the low post on offense and grab rebounds on both sides of the floor for the team to win.

**RollWithEm** · 01-02-2013, 03:05 PM

Guys, Cousins is 22 years old. He's 5 full years away from his prime (physically and emotionally). It simply makes no sense to let this opportunity pass them by. This guy has franchise-player-level talent.

**E.H. Munro** · 01-02-2013, 09:24 PM

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Why does it matter if they aren't franchise players? Even if the behavioral problems straighten out, Cousins has a ways to go before he could be considered a decent building block, considering he doesn't play any defense and has gawdawful shot selection, and 3 years in Sacramento all but cemented those bad habits. I'd much rather have the two guys who know how to play.

I'm not going to argue with you about Rondo given his recent pouty "Don't you know who I am‽" performance against the Clippers. However, where Cousins is concerned the shot selection problem has two parts. First, no one on that squad can make a decent post entry pass, which leads to him stepping out to the perimeter to get the ball. Two, his determination to shoot it no matter where he gets it. Boston can alleviate that first problem.

Attila · 01-02-2013, 09:48 PM

Trade for Perkins!

**E.H. Munro** · 01-02-2013, 09:53 PM

I'd rather trade for Westbrook, who is actually the guy Boston needs.

**Bogg** · 01-03-2013, 09:34 AM

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I'd rather trade for Westbrook, who is actually the guy Boston needs.

Too late, unless he melts down. OKC made their decision this summer when they traded Harden.

**E.H. Munro** · 01-03-2013, 12:23 PM

Oh, I know. I was more commenting on the silliness of trading for an offensively challenged player to help cure the team's offensive woes. They need a primary scorer.

**Bogg** · 01-03-2013, 12:27 PM

I'd take a flier on Tyreke if he became available for spare parts and a draft pick.

**E.H. Munro** · 01-03-2013, 01:05 PM

On another board we were having the DMC discussion, and someone posited that the Kings would demand Rondo in any scenario, which led to the question whether anyone would consider Rondo for DMC/DriveBy.

**Bogg** · 01-03-2013, 01:09 PM

To be clear, it's if the Kings agreed to trade both of them (Cousins/Evans) for Rondo and only Rondo?

**E.H. Munro** · 01-03-2013, 01:10 PM

Yeah, that was the theoretical.

12-31-2012, 02:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
Diable Limehouse Blues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,163 Rep Power: 14650805	Re: Demarcus Cousins trade watch I'm not honestly convinced that Cousins is really going to be a good player at this point, but it's obvious that the Celtics are not going to succeed with their current roster. Bradley'll make them a bit better, but that doesn't change much. A Cousins trade is a pretty good gamble, but it's not like you have much to lose in the grand scheme. It's about the only move available which doesn't involve trading away your entire core. __________________

01-01-2013, 06:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
doctordrizzay Veteran Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,382 Rep Power: 0	Re: Demarcus Cousins trade watch Lol Rondo and Cousins. They arnt going to work. __________________ Miami Heat won't go 16-0 in post season.

01-02-2013, 03:05 PM	#21 (permalink)
RollWithEm Never Argue with a Fool Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Orleans Posts: 28,336 Rep Power: 6035755	Re: Demarcus Cousins trade watch Guys, Cousins is 22 years old. He's 5 full years away from his prime (physically and emotionally). It simply makes no sense to let this opportunity pass them by. This guy has franchise-player-level talent. __________________ But that's just me. RWE's Random Questions: (Close Friends, Virginity, Home-Schooling, Wiretapping, Cheating, Piracy) RWE's Movie Rankings: (Coen Brothers, Stanley Kubrick, Top 90 of the 90's) RWE's Underground Update - RWE's SciFi Corner RWE's Smash Central - RWE's Culinary Cul de Sac 2015 FRSL Champion New Orleans Jazz Lawson - Thabo - Thad - Brow - Big Al - Manu - Jayson

01-02-2013, 09:48 PM	#23 (permalink)
Attila 6th Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 491 Rep Power: 254984	Re: Demarcus Cousins trade watch Trade for Perkins!

01-02-2013, 09:53 PM	#24 (permalink)
E.H. Munro Baddest Honky Mofo Alive Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 24,272 Rep Power: 21474869	Re: Demarcus Cousins trade watch I'd rather trade for Westbrook, who is actually the guy Boston needs. __________________ If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong. "Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed The Power of 99 Press "He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

01-03-2013, 12:23 PM	#26 (permalink)
E.H. Munro Baddest Honky Mofo Alive Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 24,272 Rep Power: 21474869	Re: Demarcus Cousins trade watch Oh, I know. I was more commenting on the silliness of trading for an offensively challenged player to help cure the team's offensive woes. They need a primary scorer. __________________ If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong. "Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed The Power of 99 Press "He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

01-03-2013, 12:27 PM	#27 (permalink)
Bogg Moderator Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,617 Rep Power: 4050067	Re: Demarcus Cousins trade watch I'd take a flier on Tyreke if he became available for spare parts and a draft pick.

01-03-2013, 01:05 PM	#28 (permalink)
E.H. Munro Baddest Honky Mofo Alive Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 24,272 Rep Power: 21474869	Re: Demarcus Cousins trade watch On another board we were having the DMC discussion, and someone posited that the Kings would demand Rondo in any scenario, which led to the question whether anyone would consider Rondo for DMC/DriveBy. __________________ If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong. "Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed The Power of 99 Press "He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

01-03-2013, 01:09 PM	#29 (permalink)
Bogg Moderator Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,617 Rep Power: 4050067	Re: Demarcus Cousins trade watch To be clear, it's if the Kings agreed to trade both of them (Cousins/Evans) for Rondo and only Rondo?

01-03-2013, 01:10 PM	#30 (permalink)
E.H. Munro Baddest Honky Mofo Alive Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 24,272 Rep Power: 21474869	Re: Demarcus Cousins trade watch Yeah, that was the theoretical. __________________ If everyone loves you you're doing it wrong. "Opium is the religion of the masses." Fred Reed The Power of 99 Press "He thinks it's going to be fun being governor. It's only fun being governor of New York if you have money to spend, and I spent it all." Nelson Rockefeller on his successor, Hugh Carey.

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