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Old 01-03-2013, 01:15 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Eesh.......I mean, it's a huge gamble, but there's a really big potential payoff with the added benefit of giving you two guys young enough to rebuild around. I need to let this one stew for a little bit.
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That was my exact reaction. On the one hand I think 70% of what's wrong in Sacramento is those two on the same roster. On the other hand, Evans does handle and penetrate as well as any pornstar and you have Bradley to defend the 1 while being the de facto SG. And if Doc can teach Evans how to properly run an offense, and Boston can get Cousins the ball on the blocks, well, there's huge amount of upside there.
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I don't know.......if it turns out that those two are just unreachable morons it becomes ruinous. At least with a more minor deal that doesn't include Evans or Rondo you haven't risked much to begin with. This would be one of those trades that either vaults the C's back into contention or makes an absolute mess of the next 5-10 years.
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I think we can probably put this one to sleep as DMC has been doing his Shaq impression since returning.
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It matters that they aren't all-stars because the team isn't going anywhere with the guys that know how to play. Unless they unload Pierce and KG for a complete tear-down, this is the Celtics for the next year or two beyond this season, and they don't have what it takes. Long term, a Rondo-Bradley-Lee-Green-Sullinger core is good for 36-40 wins and an eight-seed. It's absolutely a situation that might not work out, but regardless of whether or not the organization can handle him (and I think they have a good shot at it), you aren't gambling much in the trade.
The Celtics' title winning days are over regardless, unless they pull off a blockbuster. Something on the caliber of the Chris Paul rumors from last year.

And I agree, that core sucks. But Bradley and Sullinger aren't supposed to be 'core' guys. Doesn't mean they aren't useful players that should be cast aside for a mentally weak big man with several basketball-related bad habits. Hell, Jeff Green as a 'core' guy is a funny thought.

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The exact same things were all said about Zach Randolph, and he went from being literally given away by multiple teams to a borderline franchise guy just by getting his head screwed on straight. He doesn't have to be a good defender - Brandon Bass wasn't last year when the team almost made the Finals with him. All Cousins needs to do is park himself in the low post on offense and grab rebounds on both sides of the floor for the team to win.
Randolph's just one guy, and where he was merely inept on defense, Cousins is also a dummy on that end of the floor. And I don't know why you'd be happy with a rich man's Brandon Bass, considering the one thing he explicitly lacks is what kept us out of the finals.

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Boston can alleviate that first problem.
But not the second, which is pretty glaring.
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But not the second, which is pretty glaring.
If they're getting him the ball on the blocks the second problem takes care of itself. You don't mind DMC shooting from within 5'.
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The Celtics' title winning days are over regardless, unless they pull off a blockbuster. Something on the caliber of the Chris Paul rumors from last year.

And I agree, that core sucks. But Bradley and Sullinger aren't supposed to be 'core' guys. Doesn't mean they aren't useful players that should be cast aside for a mentally weak big man with several basketball-related bad habits. Hell, Jeff Green as a 'core' guy is a funny thought.


Randolph's just one guy, and where he was merely inept on defense, Cousins is also a dummy on that end of the floor. And I don't know why you'd be happy with a rich man's Brandon Bass, considering the one thing he explicitly lacks is what kept us out of the finals.
It's looking like the Kings have taken Cousins off the table in response to his recent strong play, but unless the plan is just to make the playoffs and struggle to advance, Boston's going to have to take a risk on someone. Whether it's a good player who makes way too much money (Rudy Gay), a very talented headcase (Cousins), or a high-upside guy with injury concerns (say, Eric Gordon), they're going to have to go after a guy who's less than ideal and hope for some luck. Yes, it's going to involve shipping out some solid rotation guys who are good citizens, and it very well could end up backfiring on Ainge. There's no other way to get star-level talent at a discount in the current trade market.
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The Celtics should probably blow it up. Smart thing would have been to do it in the offseason, perhaps. Of course the problem is that they can't really get a ton for what they have
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They can't really blow it up because they're locked into so many contracts for guys who either don't have huge trade value (Bass, Lee, Green) or only have a couple of years left (Pierce, KG, Terry). Letting everyone walk this past summer and trading Pierce still doesn't get you much in the way of building blocks and just has Rondo playing with a D-league team. They were destined to start out slow and disinterested, but they also need to swing a trade for one more piece, as well.
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The Celtics should probably blow it up. Smart thing would have been to do it in the offseason, perhaps. Of course the problem is that they can't really get a ton for what they have
The owner's note comes due in the near future. They've been openly preparing to cash out (witness the recent cable deal where Xfinity Sports got a ginormous discount on their Celtics cable franchise with a 25 year commitment all for a nine figure up front payment), so dumpster diving in the lotto wasn't an option for them.
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