JuniorNoboa

BTW, in my books they are in slightly right now, but on the 12 line. Just like last year.

A 10-8 record should be enough because that will mean some big wen down the stretch. If they go 9-9, they will need to win at least one game in the BE tourney against a team that is already in the tourney... and then wait it out.

The other thing we must remember is whether it is "real" or not, the numbers say they have played an excellent out of conference schedule (#16) this year as compared to #122 last year. But they still do not have the quality win, despite hte better numbers/

JuniorNoboa

Because freshmen usually struggle defensively??? The upperclassmen.... Harris is a good defender who is restricted by the zone (they must play), and Onuaku is not dominant inside defensively. Onangenet is not a Big East player, but works hard, and is a glue guy, but lacks alot in the area of talent. But he must play. You cannot expect this team to be good defensively.

Take five non-descript freshmen, throw them in the Big East, play an up-tempo style, amd make them have to play 40 minutes a game. Someone will have to score alot, someone will get alot of assists, someone will get alot of rebounds. The team might suck but there will always be counting stats to make some players look better then they are.

Flynn and Greene are great prospects and have been good. But don't let the numbers fool you.... they have to take the shots on this team, and the numbers are inflated by them playing 40 minutes a game and an up-tempo style that inflates your basic counting states (points, assists, rebounds).

take there numbers with a grain of salt

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Who cares if they have a bench or not? That excuse can be made for most teams. [/quote]

Were they considered a top 25 team at the beginning of the season? Nope. And then they had all kinds of injuries.... they are around #40-45 in the country... I can't see how those are unrealistic expectations/ Once again don't gross up your team expectations because of the numbers that Greene and Flynn are getting.... someone has to score on this team.

There starting point guard from last year, Josh Wright, while average at best, is much better then the walk-ons they have to play now (or not play) He ;eft school because he is a headcase. Jardine is not a good college player as a freshmen, and he was suspended.

Devendorf is a good college player, and he is out for the year.

Andy Rautins would have been nice glue as a junior. But he is out for the year.

When you have to start a JUCO who was not even expected to be in the eotation and play him 38 minutes a game, and your third best guard is a walk-on junior, who had not played in three years. then yes the depth issue is much worse then most teams, and it certainly is not a "WHO CARES" only point.

You can blame Boeheim for the lack of depth... but that does nothing to prove that the current batch is underacheiving.





Uh oh, what a clincher. I guess you proved your point.

HB

My first post in this thread.

Roy had a team not too long ago of mostly freshmen and they werent underachieving. Boeheim is too good of a coach for that excuse to work. Its not like their starting lineup is made up of solely freshmen

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who cares if syracuse is underachieving? that has absolutely nothing to do with the question this thread asks. the question is are they in or out of the tournament. they can underachieve and still make the tournament, so i don't see why that's what everyone is talking about.

right now it's looking like they'll be a team that goes into the conference tournament needing a couple of wins to assure themselves a spot. right now i guess i would have them just in, but if they can't pick up a big win in their remaining games, i doubt they make it without at least 2 wins in the conference tournament.

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Do you suffer from selective posting? Did you not see my post above. That was my very first post in this thread. It clearly says I think they are OUT!

This is the second time today you have done that

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So your saying that as of February 10, 2006, that UNC team with Hansborough as a key freshment (but with two KEY UPPERCLASSMEN in Noel and Terry) were not underachieving?

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Harris and Onauku are the only other experience players in the lineup. (and Onauka averaged 3 points a game as a frosh, or in that area).

IMO, the injuries and lack of depth are a valid reason to lower there expectations.... I'm not a big depth guy... I think if you play a rotation of seven players it is quite fine... but you need seven healthy and capable players.... when you can't even rest a gassed Flynn for a minute or two, because of fear of playing the seventh guy, then depth is a problem.

The UNC team with Noel and Terry is not a good comparison. they had much more experience, and could also go 8 deep with scholarship players (and did)

JuniorNoboa

Fair enouhg. we are not answring the question. But I don't think many threads ever stay right on topic 20 posts deep.

They will likely be in the same position as last year.. right on the bubble. And when your on the bubble you don't complain if you don't get in.

bball2223

I'm saying In.

rocketeer

i didn't quote anyone. i just posted. i was talking to everyone, not just you. whether syracuse is underachieving or not is irrelevant to whether they will make the tournament.

i saw several posts saying things like "syracuse is underachieving so they are out" or "i have syracuse out because they aren't living up to their potential". all i said was that those thoughts are irrelevant to this thread and then went on to say what i thought about the situation.

edit - oh and even though i didn't quote you, in your first post in the thread you said "Talent wise they have one of the best teams in the league, which is why I think they are out. Just too disappointing." being "disappointing" is not a reason the selection committee leaves people out the tournament. all that matters is what happens on the court, not what people think should have happened.

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