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**Ben** · 06-04-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BlakeJesus

But what else do the Bobcats have, if not time?

Absolutely nothing. No vets to guide a project. They'd be better getting MKG and hoping his work-rate/enthusiasm is infectious and they get an identity as a defense first team. An awful, defense first team.

**BlakeJesus** · 06-04-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Floods

They don't need a home run. A double will suffice. MKG is a double. The big thing is to not **** up draft choices like they've done so consistently.

Believe it or not there are more drafts after this one. They're going to be trash this year no matter what, no need to waste the pick on a high risk center. MKG's safe and will readily accept a second-banana role if the Bobcats land Shabazz or somebody in 2013.

It's only a waste if he doesn't pan out, Drummond has all the tools to be a dominant center in the league. A low pressure situation where he can get ample minutes might be the perfect situation for him.

**Floods** · 06-04-2012, 03:44 PM

And there's a pretty good chance he doesn't pan out. In which case the Bobcats go back to square one as a historically bad team.

**BlakeJesus** · 06-04-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ßen

Absolutely nothing. No vets to guide a project. They'd be better getting MKG and hoping his work-rate/enthusiasm is infectious and they get an identity as a defense first team. An awful, defense first team.

If they get Jerry Sloan, it will severely lessen the need for a "veteran guide" (which can be an overrated aspect at times anyways).

MKG is a safe pick and I wouldn't have an issue with it, but we're asking how we would fix the franchise. Landing MKG doesn't fix anything, it will just perpetuate mediocrity. That's not a slight towards MKG, because there are a lot of teams that would greatly benefit from everything he brings to the table...but I don't see Charlotte as one of those places.

If you don't want to blow your load on a risky player, I'd take Thomas Robinson before I'd take MKG.

**BlakeJesus** · 06-04-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Floods

And there's a pretty good chance he doesn't pan out. In which case the Bobcats go back to square one as a historically bad team.

Them being a bottom dweller next season is basically inevitable no matter who they draft at 2, so I don't really think this point has much relevance.

In fact, I think it strengthens what I'm saying. If Drummond develops into Andrew Bynum you've got a star on your hand, and if he ends up just being a Darko Milicic you have a career rotation big man who never lived up to expectations (and probably gets overpaid). Either way they aren't winning more than 20-22 games next year.

In a perfect world you would trade down with somebody who wants to ensure they land MKG, somebody like Sac Town, and then you take Drummond 5. The idea is to take Drummond, and the most likely scenario is they take him at 2 if they want him.

**Ben** · 06-04-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BlakeJesus

Them being a bottom dweller next season is basically inevitable no matter who they draft at 2, so I don't really think this point has much relevance.

So it's fine wasting the 2nd pick in the draft because they'll get another one next year? Of course it has relevance, if they pick Drummond and he doesn't work out, that's another year wasted. MKG they get a nice piece who's ready to go with probably another top 2 pick next year.

**Floods** · 06-04-2012, 03:56 PM

If Drummond isn't a dominant center next season (or close to it), he never will be.

**BlakeJesus** · 06-04-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ßen

So it's fine wasting the 2nd pick in the draft because they'll get another one next year? Of course it has relevance, if they pick Drummond and he doesn't work out, that's another year wasted. MKG they get a nice piece who's ready to go with probably another top 2 pick next year.

The failure in this logic is that you're already chalking up Drummond as a failure. Just as easy as you can say it's another year wasted if he doesn't pan out, I can say it's a massive step forward if he does. If you don't believe Drummond has the ability to be a starting caliber center in the NBA, that's your opinion, but that does not make it fact.

**Floods** · 06-04-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BlakeJesus

The failure in this logic is that you're already chalking up Drummond as a failure. Just as easy as you can say it's another year wasted if he doesn't pan out, I can say it's a massive step forward if he does. If you don't believe Drummond has the ability to be a starting caliber center in the NBA, that's your opinion, but that does not make it fact.

This is how you become a perennial lottery team.

**BlakeJesus** · 06-04-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Floods

If Drummond isn't a dominant center next season (or close to it), he never will be.

Really smart thing to say about an 18 year old kid.

**Dre** · 06-04-2012, 04:02 PM

So wait we're not letting people even get a year to develop now

**BlakeJesus** · 06-04-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Floods

This is how you become a perennial lottery team.

The best way to become good is to strike gold in the lotto. You typically don't strike gold picking 7-12, that's how you end up with a team full of Kemba Walker's, Bismack Biyombo's, and Gerald Henderson's.

**Ben** · 06-04-2012, 04:05 PM

Yeah, I really don't agree with him not being dominant if he isn't in his rookie season. The guy is still real young.

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Originally Posted by BlakeJesus

The failure in this logic is that you're already chalking up Drummond as a failure. Just as easy as you can say it's another year wasted if he doesn't pan out, I can say it's a massive step forward if he does. If you don't believe Drummond has the ability to be a starting caliber center in the NBA, that's your opinion, but that does not make it fact.

So it's a year wasted if he doesn't pan out, it's worth it if he does.

I'm glad we're agreed on that.

I haven't presented anything as fact, and I actually like what I've seen of Drummond, but if I'm in Charlotte's shoes, I don't take on another big man project. I'd try and get the identity that a guy like MKG will bring, and then I look for my star in next years draft. They could have really done with the 1st pick in this draft.

**BlakeJesus** · 06-04-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dre

So wait we're not letting people even get a year to develop now

No Dre, if you aren't a dominant center in your first NBA season on a historically bad franchise as a 19 year old kid, you have absolutely no shot.

**Floods** · 06-04-2012, 04:11 PM

Go find me a dominant center who didn't dominate from day one. Or at least do pretty good for himself. Please, I'll wait right here.

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