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**BlakeJesus** · 06-04-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Floods

Go find me a dominant center who didn't dominate from day one. Or at least do pretty good for himself. Please, I'll wait right here.

Andrew Bynum, Dwight Howard...

**Dre** · 06-04-2012, 04:21 PM

**Floods** · 06-04-2012, 04:22 PM

Andrew Bynum is not a dominant center. Dwight Howard averaged a double-double and blocked almost 2 shots a game that first year. That qualifies as 'pretty good for himself'. Try again.

**Dre** · 06-04-2012, 04:30 PM

No, if Bynum isn't considered dominant to you in this day and age it's not worth it.

But I mean you'd feel the pick was a mistake if he turned into Andrew Bynum though?

You made that first "if he doesn't come in dominant" post like that was the only possibility that would be success. Plenty of perennial all-stars weren't what you'd call dominant.

**RollWithEm** · 06-04-2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Floods

Go find me a dominant center who didn't dominate from day one. Or at least do pretty good for himself. Please, I'll wait right here.

Nate Thurmond
Kevin McHale
Karl Malone (15/9 rookie year as 22 year old rookie)
Shawn Kemp (came in at 20 years old and took a couple years to get going)

And of course this little exercise is ridiculous anyway. Any big man who anyone here throws out you will either say he did, in fact, "do well for himself" or that he wasn't "dominant enough" for your arbitrary criteria. You have set-up a truly unclimbable mountain merely by the way you defined your point.

**Floods** · 06-04-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dre

No, if Bynum isn't considered dominant to you in this day and age it's not worth it.

Bynum, dominant?

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But I mean you'd feel the pick was a mistake if he turned into Andrew Bynum though?

When did I say that?

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You made that first "if he doesn't come in dominant" post like that was the only possibility that would be success. Plenty of perennial all-stars weren't what you'd call dominant.

Centers.

**Floods** · 06-04-2012, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RollWithEm

You have set-up a truly unclimbable mountain merely by the way you defined your point.

**RollWithEm** · 06-04-2012, 05:33 PM

Kanye is the perfect representative of your flimsy and arbitrary point.

**BlakeJesus** · 06-04-2012, 05:33 PM

**Floods** · 06-04-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RollWithEm

Kanye is the perfect representative of your flimsy and arbitrary point.

Then counter it.

**RollWithEm** · 06-04-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Floods

Then counter it.

You need more than 4 examples? Give me a specific number you are looking for. I thought it was one.

**Floods** · 06-04-2012, 05:39 PM

McHale, Malone, and Kemp aren't centers.

**RollWithEm** · 06-04-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Floods

McHale, Malone, and Kemp aren't centers.

There's virtually no difference between PFs and Cs in today's NBA. Regardless of that, McHale would have been a center on many NBA teams in the 80's. He just happened to play next to Parrish. Still, he played many of his minutes at center.

Kemp and Malone played next to stiffs at center their whole careers. They were the dynamic frontcourt options for their teams throughout their primes.

You see what I mean about your argument? It's completely ridiculous. You set up this ivory tower just so that you could judge from it. It's so absurd that even if you were right, which you aren't, it still would not prove a single thing.

**BlakeJesus** · 06-04-2012, 05:44 PM

It's a pointless discussion to have, if you don't think the 2nd best player at his position is "dominant" than there is no room to meet in the middle.

Even if Drummond ends up being 75% of what Andrew Bynum is now, he would be a top 5 center in the league...thus validating the risk of taking him 2nd overall.

**Floods** · 06-04-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RollWithEm

There's virtually no difference between PFs and Cs in today's NBA. Regardless of that, McHale would have been a center on many NBA teams in the 80's. He just happened to play next to Parrish. Still, he played many of his minutes at center.

6-10, 210 isn't the greatest stature for a center.

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Kemp and Malone played next to stiffs at center their whole careers. They were the dynamic frontcourt options for their teams throughout their primes.

That's nice.

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You see what I mean about your argument? It's completely ridiculous. You set up this ivory tower just so that you could judge from it. It's so absurd that even if you were right, which you aren't, it still would not prove a single thing.

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Floods -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 14,118 Rep Power: 15842309	Re: How Would You Fix the Bobcats? Andrew Bynum is not a dominant center. Dwight Howard averaged a double-double and blocked almost 2 shots a game that first year. That qualifies as 'pretty good for himself'. Try again.

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Dre do better Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 25 Posts: 41,325 Rep Power: 21474887	Re: How Would You Fix the Bobcats? No, if Bynum isn't considered dominant to you in this day and age it's not worth it. But I mean you'd feel the pick was a mistake if he turned into Andrew Bynum though? You made that first "if he doesn't come in dominant" post like that was the only possibility that would be success. Plenty of perennial all-stars weren't what you'd call dominant.

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BlakeJesus Community Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Age: 23 Posts: 16,818 Rep Power: 12803037	Re: How Would You Fix the Bobcats? __________________ Jalen Rose - "Positions were created so the novice could follow the game. You ARE your skillset." 2024 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2026 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2027 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks

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Floods -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 14,118 Rep Power: 15842309	Re: How Would You Fix the Bobcats? McHale, Malone, and Kemp aren't centers.

06-04-2012, 05:44 PM	#44 (permalink)
BlakeJesus Community Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Age: 23 Posts: 16,818 Rep Power: 12803037	Re: How Would You Fix the Bobcats? It's a pointless discussion to have, if you don't think the 2nd best player at his position is "dominant" than there is no room to meet in the middle. Even if Drummond ends up being 75% of what Andrew Bynum is now, he would be a top 5 center in the league...thus validating the risk of taking him 2nd overall. __________________ Jalen Rose - "Positions were created so the novice could follow the game. You ARE your skillset." 2024 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2026 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2027 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks

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