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04-27-2004, 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by <b>Mikedc</b>!
Explain how the cap works for the draft. Is it just like the NBA cap- meaning that a team can always go over the cap, it just faces the consequences of not being able to sign free agents and potentially haveing to pay the luxury tax.
If that's the case, there are lots of guys there the Bobcats should go after.
I can't see the Kings leaving CWeb unprotected. Money move or not, I just can't see it happening. If they did however, I'd have to think they'd take a look at him.
And if they did that, it would probably make sense to take a look at several guys with bigger contracts if they're short-
Big Z, Stoudamire, and Camby will all have expiring contracts. If Charlotte takes those three guys for a year, they've got the core of a playoff team to put around Webber.
It might be worth the expense to generate that kind of initial winning atmostsphere around the team, and since a those guys have expiring deals, they can either be re-signed for cheaper or make way for other players.
If I have those options in the expansion draft, I say screw the cap consequences for the first year and just pick away
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From what I've read there is a hard cap set at 66% of the NBA salary cap and the Bobcats must select 14 players and sign their draft pick and remain under it. The hard cap is done to protect the startup and make sure they do not go belly up.
Obviously, if what I've read is incorrect, then yeah, they would select a star or two... but I do not think they are capable. I've researched several expansion drafts and the team has never surpassed the cap from what I can tell.
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04-27-2004, 02:49 PM
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On an aside, the Bobcats are coming into the league on a very bad year from the terms that many teams are either severly over the cap or barely have enough bodies to have a team.
With the restrictions put in place by the NBA and the players that will be available for selection, the Bobcats are in for a long season unless they can work out some deals.
For the Bobcats, 2nd round draft picks will be KING!
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04-27-2004, 03:00 PM
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I forgot to mention, but just remembered reading it. The only way the Bobcats can go over the cap is to resign any RFAs that they selected in the draft.
The other reason why you will see some big names left open, like the ones on my list, is the fact that if they are picked, the team will receive a trade exception so they can replace the person selected with a comparable salaried player.
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04-27-2004, 03:02 PM
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Thanks for the info on the cap rules. I knew it wasn't a normal cap, but I wasn't sure what the exact rules were.
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04-27-2004, 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by <b>MJG</b>!
Thanks for the info on the cap rules. I knew it wasn't a normal cap, but I wasn't sure what the exact rules were.
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Not a problem. Let me know if you catch any other mistakes I made because you seem to know quite a bit about the subject as well.
I believe I also read in the Charlotte Observer that the Bobcats will not surpase $30 million, even using the cap loophole to sign RFAs. They are in it for the long haul and they are doing things the right way.
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04-27-2004, 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by <b>RetroDreams</b>!
From what I've read there is a hard cap set at 66% of the NBA salary cap and the Bobcats must select 14 players and sign their draft pick and remain under it. The hard cap is done to protect the startup and make sure they do not go belly up.
Obviously, if what I've read is incorrect, then yeah, they would select a star or two... but I do not think they are capable. I've researched several expansion drafts and the team has never surpassed the cap from what I can tell.
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thanks, that's some great info you've put together here Retro!
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04-27-2004, 05:46 PM
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Check that- I have a feeling that the Bobcats don't face a hard cap. That is, they could draft anyone that's put out there. they'd just go over the cap like anyone else. That could even turn out to be good, as it would give them an exception to use.
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/news/draf...s_summary.html
Seems to suggest the cap won't matter to them:
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Charlotte will be permitted to select players in the Expansion Draft without regard to the Salary Cap.
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04-27-2004, 06:48 PM
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Re: My Expansion Draft Team Capsules
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Milwaukee (10 players under contract)
Protected: Keith Van Horn, Jason Caffey, Michael Redd, Desmond Mason, Marcus Haislip, Brian Skinner, Erick Strickland, TJ Ford
Unprotected: Anthony Mason, Joe Smith
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The Bucks would not leave Smith unprotected. I see us leaving KVH, A. Mason, Caffey, and Santiago open.
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04-27-2004, 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by <b>Mikedc</b>!
Check that- I have a feeling that the Bobcats don't face a hard cap. That is, they could draft anyone that's put out there. they'd just go over the cap like anyone else. That could even turn out to be good, as it would give them an exception to use.
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/news/draf...s_summary.html
Seems to suggest the cap won't matter to them:
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I've heard like 100 conflicting reports on this now. Fatlever, a very knowledgable guy over at RealGM spoke with a local Charlotte NBA beat writer and was told:
1. is the cap in the first year a hard cap or a soft cap? can the team go over the cap during the draft?
answer- it is a hard cap in the first year moving to a sof cap in the second year. teams only have soft caps to allow them to resign their own free agents. since the new team will not have any free agents the cap in the first year will be hard. the team cannot go over the cap during the expansion draft.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtop...7da44e53c73a93
I also read the hard cap bit in a newspaper piece. I need to find the exact quotes on it. Also, there is an Expansion section in the CBA, I'll try to round that up, too.
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04-27-2004, 07:55 PM
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Re: Re: My Expansion Draft Team Capsules
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The Bucks would not leave Smith unprotected. I see us leaving KVH, A. Mason, Caffey, and Santiago open.
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Santiago is a free agent, so he is ineligible to be selected. As for leaving KVH open, that is probably a good possibility. As for Smith, he has a longer deal and I could see Porter rather having that trade exception for Smith to package with the expiring contracts of Mason and/or Caffey.
Just my two cents.
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04-27-2004, 08:47 PM
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Wow Retro, I bet it took you a long time to figure this out. Thanks aot for your input.
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04-28-2004, 03:39 PM
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Re: Re: Re: My Expansion Draft Team Capsules
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Santiago is a free agent, so he is ineligible to be selected. As for leaving KVH open, that is probably a good possibility. As for Smith, he has a longer deal and I could see Porter rather having that trade exception for Smith to package with the expiring contracts of Mason and/or Caffey.
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I thought Santiago is a RFA. Also Smith had one of his best years, I see us leaving Skinner open before Smith.
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05-01-2004, 01:35 PM
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