TysonForPresident

I could be off base here but it sounds to me like Skiles has a set way he does business (which he has mentioned) and that way is to simply receive an offer, which he assumes will be a l;ittle low, he counters the offer, which would be seen as a little high, and they meet in the middle, nothing more and nothing less.

I have a feeling that Paxson was looking to offer a very fail deal from the beginning and expected it to be accepted.

It just seems to me that there is a misunferstanding and Skiles might not appreciate what was offered at first because he feels that all offers are going to be low.

That sounds odd I know. Skiles and his agent feel, I'm sure, that the offer was there to be countered, as is general practice, and that meeting in the middle is the natural progression to an agreement.

Paxson is still inexperienced at his job. He could feel that he was making an offer that was very fair from the beginning and that there is no need to go any further, maybe a little higher, but not a "meeting in the middle of a low ball offer" kind of deal.

Skiles and Paxson say they have a lot in common and that they both hold to their principles. Paxson could have believed that he was being very fair in the opening offer (with intentions to show Skiles he appreciated his hard work and he meant to reward him accordingly, none of the typical negotiating bs) with the excpecations that the counter would be slightly higher so the middle would be close to the original offer. Maybe Paxson is looking at it the same way Skiles is. Skiles believes this is how business is done and since the offer was there , even if it far exceeded what he first assumed it would be, it was an indication that his value was even higher. So the counter comes and Paxson is taken aback by the gap between the original and the counter.

I could be making no sense with what I said but it makes sense to me.

Or, it could all be that Skiles really wants a way out so he can coach the Pistons, who knows?

HuejMinitZ

Pretty obvious from this interview that Skiles just wants to go somewhere else. Don't know what his reasons are, but that's what it seems like.

LoyalBull

AND...

IT is going to become MUCH more difficult to convince Tyson and Eddie to bargain in good faith and follow the example of management when management is in the self-same process.

Duhon's got to be thinking that this off season isn't going to be fun either.

Last thing you need is the coach and team playing hardball before you enter key contract conversations with your better players...

Hustle

If Jerry Reinsdorf thought the deadline was the 30th, maybe he was just going to play hard ball for a little while, then meet somewhere in the middle closer to the Bulls liking. It just doesn't make sense to make one offer to Skiles and not negiotiate.

I hope something gets done. He is the right man for the job.

A new coach is a guaranteed step backwards. And I am scared of how this will affect the resigning of our 3 free agents.

DaBullz

This is worthy of it's own thread, IMO.

If Duhon leaves, Curry can't play, Tyson gets an offer the Bulls won't match, and Othella leaves, we're looking at another NBDL team. Look at the summer league roster and picture those guys replacing our free agents.

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My understanding is the Bulls did negoatiate-- they just did not agree to meet in the middle like Skiles & Glass assumed they would. Skiles clearly said in the North interview that he expected to "meet in the middle". The problem with that, as any experienced negotiator knows, is that the first party to make a counter-offer is, in effect, dictating the final terms. What if Skiles wanted $10M per year? If the Bulls first offer was $4M/year (and I'm not saying that's what it was), all Skiles has to do is counter with $16M and then "meet in the middle", right?

Wrong.

DaBullz

If that's the way it worked, Skiles should have asked for $1B and asked the bulls to meet him half-way between that and $4M.

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Hustle

I really don't think this one is on Pax. But who knows this is a little bewildering.

If this is Pax or Jerry's idea of coming witha contract goodbye Tyson, Eddy, and Duhon.

Hustle

From what I've taken from Glass, Skiles and the papers the exact stipulations are not clear but

1) the bulls offered 3.5 a year for four years w/ only half of the last year guaranteed.

2) Skiles countered w/ 20 over 4 fully guaranteed.

3) The Bulls maybe offered a little more but not close to the middle.

It seems as if the difference is only .75 a year (probably a slight bit less) + the 1.75 more of it guaranteed. I consider Skiles one of the best coaches in the league (top 10 , close to tenth) and would be willing to make him one of the highest paid coaches. Considering our success this year I would think that would be a small price to pay. Tyson will probably make 10M a year next year and not many people will bat an eye at that, are you telling me Skiles is not worth 4-4.25M.

I keep hearing he shouldn't be one of the top five paid coaches in the league , well he won't be for long McMillian,Flip, and Jackson will all command more (yes even Nate). I think that coaches like D'Antoni, McMillian, and Skiles have opened the leagues (owners) eyes to the importance of a good coach.

HAWK23

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