DaBullz

I don't think there's a unified theory of statistics that makes any one number mean what you want... It really does boil down, in the end, to wins, which is why I keep talking about Curry being in the mix that won 47.

I don't think the team rebounding numbers make any case at all. You can easily make a case that Curry is a horrible rebounder - just look at his rebounds compared to players who play at similar positions and similar minutes.

MikeDC's analysis isn't really finished yet, and I think you'd agree it's not the greatest sample size or quality. For example, Harrington didn't log a whole lot of minutes all season long; teams didn't get to see a lot of him on video tape, he was probably less tired/worn out, we've seen good performance in similar times of the season (e.g. last month/two) from Curry/Chandler/JWill/Crawford before, etc.

We can't know what Othella would do with nearly triple his minutes. It seems like AD played a lot better with diminished minutes over the previous season...

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Quote me on this: Barring a significant player in return, we will not make the playoffs by trading Curry.

IE: We can make them if we get a player like Pierce in return....but with what has been suggested/by the sounds of it, any trade we will be getting less in return.

Plus, it means Chandler will slide over to C and have to bang with bigger guys. Let's see him take a season of this.

But hey...let's ship Curry and Gordon off together....give us something to talk about since that what seems like a very popular idea around here.

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Diener is a better player than Hinrich imo in terms of being a point guard. Diener won't be able to guard shooting guards like Hinrich, but he can guard point guards just as well. Hinrich has strength on him 7 reps at 185, compared to Dieners 1, but Hinrich's unwillingness to play tough and drive leads me to believe if Diener does, he will be a better pro than Hinrich. I know Diener can shoot a lot better than Hinrich already. That Marquette team was a pretty good team with Diener, they were complete garbage when he was out.

Vintage

I agree he is a feared shooter. I am scared every time he shoots the ball. (I'll let you construe that anyway you wish)

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Vintage

Please don't remind me.

It was painful to watch.

After we beat UW-Madison at the Kohl Center, I was so pumped. Best basketball game I have EVER been too....

It just got worse from there on...

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C'mon now.... there's a reason why Deiner is a 2nd round pick and Hinrich is a top 10 lottery pick. Deiner may have a better shooting stroke then Hinrich.... nothing else.

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MikeDC

I don't really see that... they appear to me to show that we are somewhat better with Curry than with the other guys taking his minutes.

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Dan, unless I missed something, none of your analysis in this thread thusfar has accounted for the possibility that Eddy Curry is still young and could improve, even by next year. That's a hard thing to predict, but it is a possibility.

I haven't heard anyone mention yet that unless this new CBA goes in a direction I do not expect at all, a player has to agree to be signed and traded somewhere. Even with the acquisition of Marvin Williams, do you think Curry would really want to go to Atlanta? I could only see that happening if they were willing to offer him a substantial amount of money more than any other team. The Knicks did that for Jamal last year, but that was New York, not Atlanta. Atlanta is a great city, but as of now they have no fans and no chance of making the playoffs anytime soon.

So let's think destinations. We know New York likes Curry and Curry has reason to like New York. I shudder to consider taking Channing Frye back for Curry. I really don't see them having an attractive package for us this year. Al Harrington is much more interesting than Sweetney at this point, that's for sure. Memphis has long been interested, but we don't know if Curry would want to play there. Lorenzen Wright, Dahntay Jones, and a future first would fill needs, and Wright's contract would be off the books next year so we might be able to uselessly sign Yao to an offer sheet (I still don't understand why gobs of '06 cap room is so appealing). Cleveland, I mean LeBron is interested, but last time I checked they have a new decisionmaker in town, and we don't know what he thinks. Ilgauskas would be a reasonable replacement, but the idea of Eddy and LeBron together just terrifies me. (On that issue, wouldn't it be nice if the new CBA allowed for two players to be signed and traded for each other for contracts of similar value?) Atlanta has interest, but again, would he really want to go? Only if they were the only team to show him the money, I suppose.

If Curry is signed and traded or just let go, I really want Oberto. Dalembert is a pipe dream of a replacement, and Big Z would be solid for a few more years. All in all, this is not what I wanted to hear this morning.

Let's just remember that Curry has to agree to go to wherever he might be signed and traded to.

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Don't put much into it. What's happening is Curry's value is being questioned due to his contract demands and the like, and some people don't like it, so they are trying to blast other players on the team to make Curry look better.

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This is silly. Trading Curry for garbage would be suicide.

Do you guys not remember our problems in the Washington series? Remember those terrible stretches where we couldn't score and Washington's bigs were posting numbers way above their averages? Yeah, with Eddy there, that's not going to happen.

If we trade Eddy, we won't get any further than the first round. It's just a stupid idea because we can't get anything good in return. You don't trade big men that can score, you just don't. I think the Lakers proved you don't trade a big man who can score unless you can get equal value.

Eddy's heart issue will probably be a blessing in disguise. I think he's going to realize now how precious life (and the ability to play basketball) is and will work harder than ever before. And if we trade him, we'll be kicking ourselves in the back, just like we did for trading Brad Miller and Ron Artest.

Dan Rosenbaum

The Bulls have a better record with Curry playing and a better point differential when he is not. To me that is pretty much a wash.

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Vintage

No. You couldn't be more dillusional.

I am simply using the same logic many are using here. Wanting to trade bec. a player has holes in their game(yes, even Hinrich does), trade for the sake of nothing happening this offseason, and as someone mentioned the growing concern of Eastern Conference teams improving.

But did Hinrich shoot less than 40% on the year? Yes he did....yes he did....

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