DaBabyBullz

Zaza's value is decent, nothing more, nothing less, considering he was a mid 2nd rounder. He was decent in '05-07. Since they got better talent though, he's bene relegated to the bench. Like I said before, easy to be the cream of the crap on the Hawks team that had NO post players till they got Horford. Drafting Horford cut his minutes in half.

He was also not much value to his first team (Orlando), as they let him go after the first year, as did the team that had him his second year (Milwaukee).

jnrjr79

As confirmed by scores of San Antonio championships.


Err, wait...

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I already went through that list, one by one. Gasol = early pick. AK is a SF, thus not a big. Height doesn't = big. Position = big. You are REALLY dense. My god.

I brought up Shelden because Ronny boy did in an argument for Zaza. When you have to stoop to bringing up tools like Shelden to support a foreign big, you are reaching all-time lows.

Yeah, the champs may have been from the East, but that sure as hell isn't representative of the overall talent level in the east. It's possible the 2 best teams were in the East, but after that there wasn't much. In the west, there were a lot of good teams, and the last team to get a playoff team in the west would've been at worst the 3rd seed in the east.

I'm through arguing with you, because pretty soon I'll be getting warnings or bannings if I continue posting against such clueless garbage.

DaBabyBullz

2 words: Tim Duncan. Or should that be 4, Tim Duncan & David Robinson? Also, exactly what foreign bigs were so vital to their championships? Parker and Ginobli are definitely smalls. Playing next to one of the best big men in history in Duncan, it doesn't take much. Hell, if you want to bring up stupid comparisons like that, just look at the Bulls, who won 3 championships with foreign stiffs in the post, Longley, Wennington, etc. But we all know they were just space eaters, and we won mainly due to the 2-4 positions, and the various 1s we had playing for us all made bigger impacts than the foreign stiffs we had playing the 5.

Ron Cey

Didn't Luis Scola get drafted with the 56th pick, sit overseas, and then just make the All-Rookie First team this last year?

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You still seem to be missing the basic point. This is a second round pick we are talking about. Fabricio Oberto wasn't even drafted at all, and he still was able to give San Antoni 20 solid minutes per night last season. No one is saying that he's primarily responsible for that team's overall success. The question is whether or not he would have been good value as a second round pick. And the answer would be an unqualified yes.

You're going off half-cocked about a "terrible value" trade based on the false premise that foreign bigs acquired in the second round never pan out. It just isn't so. And Omer Asik appears to be at least somewhat unique in that he's widely considered to be a first round talent who fell solely due to his contractual obligations overseas.

I just don't understand the vitriol.

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BULLHITTER

i'm dense, yet here you are qualifying the stupid statement when several posters have called you on it. further, i don't know what world you live in but 6'9 IS big. his position is irrelevant. stop trying to switch up now that you've been called on a silly statement.

there are plenty of players from europe, big or otherwise that pan out; a much smaller percentage of those who don't. just because no one's clamoring over a scrub like deandre jordan, who's likely not to even play in the league, wasn't on the bulls radar (hooray for pax on that one....) doesn't mean asik won't be a decent, good or quality player. you don't know, stop trying to give the impression you do.

liekomgj4ck

Gasol... is not a quality player , watch the finals

Can only score, no defense, no rebounding, weak, can't finish

ak47... was a quality player, years ago, watch the playoffs fs

ak is only good for a little blocking, we got that in tyrus

Kristic and Turk are good?

I'd take anyone on the Bulls over them

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DaBabyBullz

Did he contribute to the Spurs' championships? No. jnrjr thought he'd make some smart comment about the Spurs' championships being a testament to the value of foreign big men's value. Well, sorry to say, but he was dead wrong there, as the 2 big men responsible for their first 2 were Robinson and Duncan, both #1 overall picks, and the last 2 mainly had Duncan and Horry as the big men. The main foreign contributions were at the 1 and 2.

And, again, your little example is pure BS. The SPURS drafted Scola, and couldn't get him over here. The ROCKETS are the team that got him as a 27 year old rookie. So if you're talking drafting value, you don't get any worse than that for the Spurs, as they never even had a chance to use him.....unless of course you put that high of value on a future 2nd and the all important (to Reinsdorff and the Suns) "cash considerations". We're talking about draft value here, and that's not good value. Oberto isn't even in this discussion, as he wasn't even drafted.

BULLHITTER

i did; however, does it refute the fact that the lakers were the best team in the almight west (lol) and gasol's prescence was a major factor? his numbers suggest different, as did his prescence in all the series except the finals.

which of the bulls bigs is better than pau?

hasn't he been an all-star? which bulls have?

kristic's been injured, so i'll give him a mini-pass, prior to that he was better than any of the bulls big. turk was most improved player in the entire nba, LAST YEAR. which bulls won anything?

yea, right.

Dornado

We drafted Toni Kukoc in the 2nd round, that worked.

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Ron Cey

Turkoglu averaged 20/6/5 this year.

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