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Old 06-27-2008, 04:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The draft day stories

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Paxson also pointed out that the addition of another guard doesn't necessarily mean the next task is to clear room in the backcourt by making a trade. Many people expect Kirk Hinrich to be dealt before the summer is over.

"We're not going to rush into that because, for example, I think Kirk Hinrich can play very effectively with Derrick Rose," Paxson said. "I think Ben Gordon can play very effectively with Derrick Rose. I think Thabo (Sefolosha) can. We have Larry Hughes as well.

"Because of Derrick's age, we're going to be careful in how we go about this. We're not going to rush into giving up some of our players thinking that's going to solve all our problems."
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Old 06-27-2008, 04:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Celebration erupts after Bulls pick Rose No. 1

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Reggie Rose said after the Bulls selected his brother Derrick with the No. 1 pick in the NBA draft Thursday, there were so many calls from Chicago that it appeared at least part of the city was celebrating a championship.

"Once Derrick’s name was selected we got so many calls from Chicago you would have thought that every horn in Englewood was blowing with pride," Reggie Rose said.
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Point taken: It's Rose

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New Bulls coach Vinny Del Negro said he would handle Rose's development with care.

''I'll be smart about it, how we continue to monitor it and make Derrick a better player,'' Del Negro said. ''He's just touching the surface now. He has special gifts, and he'll make players better. That's what he does the best.''
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Kirk Hinrich seems vulnerable in Bulls' guard logjam

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With an overloaded backcourt that also includes Thabo Sefolosha, Kirk Hinrich has to be the most viable trade candidate and odd guard out, right?

Bulls general manager John Paxson downplayed any imminent trades until the restricted free-agent status of Gordon and Deng is resolved. And Paxson suggested the Bulls would take a "cautious" approach with top pick Derrick Rose, likely bringing him along slowly.

With Chris Duhon out of the team's plans, Hinrich is the only remaining point guard. Reached Thursday, Hinrich declined to comment. But the veteran guard has said consistently he wants to remain with the organization that drafted him as Paxson's first lottery pick in 2003.
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Young Derrick Rose ready to lead Bulls veterans



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"I think I can be a leader on the court and probably off the court," Rose said. "Age doesn't really matter. It's about how effective you are.

"I think I can blend in great. They're young, so we'll be able to talk to each other. And they're great guys. They came up and talked to me and I think we got used to each other."

As a dominant point guard, Rose has led—and won—at every level. He envisions doing the same in the NBA, particularly because of the offense he said new coach Vinny Del Negro plans to run.
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This isn't Bulls related, but I'm frankly stunned at how the Blazers make out like bandits.

They got the player who I thought could've/should've been the 4th pick in the draft, in Jerryd Bayless. Now that guy is talented. To pair him up with a playmaking SG like Brandon Roy is scary, since Bayless is sort of like a Ben Gordon with better court vision and ballhandling ability.

Bayless/Roy/Aldridge/Oden

While I still am not intimidated by Aldridge and think he's been overrated (personal opinion), that core is a dynasty in the making.
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Old 06-27-2008, 05:14 AM   #7 (permalink)
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This isn't Bulls related, but I'm frankly stunned at how the Blazers make out like bandits.

They got the player who I thought could've/should've been the 4th pick in the draft, in Jerryd Bayless. Now that guy is talented. To pair him up with a playmaking SG like Brandon Roy is scary, since Bayless is sort of like a Ben Gordon with better court vision and ballhandling ability.

Bayless/Roy/Aldridge/Oden

While I still am not intimidated by Aldridge and think he's been overrated (personal opinion), that core is a dynasty in the making.
They were helped out by Phoenix's selling them draft picks - moves Phoenix did for short term salary cap relief, but long term stupidity. And at the time only Portland could give Phoenix the cap release.
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Jerryd Bayless. Now that guy is talented. To pair him up with a playmaking SG like Brandon Roy is scary, since Bayless is sort of like a Ben Gordon with better court vision and ballhandling ability.
I agree he'll turn out like Gordon, only better. His alligator arms probably scared some teams, but I still like his ability to create his own shot and attack the basket. He really can do it all on the offensive end of the floor. Pairing him next to Brandon Roy is just not fair. This Rush/Bayless trade will turn out just like the Roy/Foye deal... totally lopsided in Portland's favor.

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While I still am not intimidated by Aldridge and think he's been overrated (personal opinion), that core is a dynasty in the making.
I'm not high on Aldridge either, but he really is a great fit next to Oden. Oden can do the dirty work down on the blocks and Aldridge can knock down jump shots all day.

C: Oden, Pryzbilla
PF: Aldridge, Frye
SF: Outlaw, Webster
SG: Roy, Fernandez
PG: Bayless, Rodriguez

Terrific combination of size, skill, athleticism. Pritchard has done a fantastic job. Roy, Fernandez, Bayless were all players I really wanted the Bulls to acquire and they all should've been picked way higher than they were.
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I don't think this is the intention of the thread although it sounds like it, but I got a funny story.

I went to the bar and "sang" drop it like it's hot by snoop on mic and it sucked!
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I'm not high on Aldridge either, but he really is a great fit next to Oden. Oden can do the dirty work down on the blocks and Aldridge can knock down jump shots all day.

C: Oden, Pryzbilla
PF: Aldridge, Frye
SF: Outlaw, Webster
SG: Roy, Fernandez
PG: Bayless, Rodriguez

Terrific combination of size, skill, athleticism. Pritchard has done a fantastic job. Roy, Fernandez, Bayless were all players I really wanted the Bulls to acquire and they all should've been picked way higher than they were.
Yep, I feel the same on Aldridge. I'm not high on him the way others seem to be, but he definitely fits well with Oden with his midrange ability.

The only pieces they seem to be missing -- and this should be incredibly easy to fill -- is a defensive specialist at SF, and a true PG who can backup Roy and Bayless (not sure if Rodriguez fits the bill there).

Let's say they add Chris Duhon & trade Webster or Outlaw for someone in the Bruce Bowen mold. That team is so well-rounded and talented it makes me sick. But hey, I got nothing against the Blazers and at least they're in the Western Conference. Should be a fun team to watch.
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I am not sure why anyone will have doubts about Aldridge - he is a 2nd year player (more like one and a half, the Blazers training staff considered his 2nd year his rookie year because of the injuries in his rookie year that prevented him from getting real burn for most of the season - he only had one real month of play time in his rookie year) and he produced at a fantastic rate (17.8/7.6 on 49% FG%) while playing at times out of position (he is a natural PF that had to play a lot of C last year), works harder than just about anyone and fits perfectly next to Oden...

Just imagine him next to a true low-post beast defensive center - being able to streak for fast breaks started by Oden rebounding/blocking, getting free reign when Oden is double-teamed...

I will be shocked if Aldridge does not make multiple appearances in the all-star game during his career.
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I am not sure why anyone will have doubts about Aldridge - he is a 2nd year player (more like one and a half, the Blazers training staff considered his 2nd year his rookie year because of the injuries in his rookie year that prevented him from getting real burn for most of the season - he only had one real month of play time in his rookie year) and he produced at a fantastic rate (17.8/7.6 on 49% FG%) while playing at times out of position (he is a natural PF that had to play a lot of C last year), works harder than just about anyone and fits perfectly next to Oden...

Just imagine him next to a true low-post beast defensive center - being able to streak for fast breaks started by Oden rebounding/blocking, getting free reign when Oden is double-teamed...

I will be shocked if Aldridge does not make multiple appearances in the all-star game during his career.
Without getting into a drawn out argument, these are my reasons in short:

a) Weak rebounder (Oden will cover him on this, hence the great fit)

b) No real physical advantage -- I like his length which is good defensively and does help get shots off, but he isn't especially quick and certainly isn't very strong. This has all sorts of implications for the long term.

c) Streaky shooter/scorer -- he's very reliant on his shooting touch. If that's not falling, he's pretty worthless offensively (referring back to the physical limitations).

I see him as similar to Pau Gasol, but less athletic. I've debated this plenty with others so no need to re-hash. Just my opinion since you asked (sort of).

We all knew Aldridge had a pretty NBA ready game when he was entering the draft; and yes, his scoring numbers have been better than expected. I just don't see him expanding his abilities any further than they currently are, and my gut feeling is that he's the type of guy who'll regress if/when his jumper goes through cold streaks. Not enough other ways to compensate for that. I value versatility you could say.
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Without getting into a drawn out argument, these are my reasons in short:

a) Weak rebounder (Oden will cover him on this, hence the great fit)
He is an OK rebounder, not a great one, but as you said - not a real issue next to Oden.

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b) No real physical advantage -- I like his length which is good defensively and does help get shots off, but he isn't especially quick and certainly isn't very strong. This has all sorts of implications for the long term.
We must be looking at different players - since he is the fastest running big man out there - and reportedly is the 2nd fastest sprinter on the Blazers team with only a guard being faster than him in the annual camp sprints. Add the fact that he does a really good job at pick and roll defense being able to switch on guards and doing a fantastic job of staying with them when they are penetrating with the dribble - I am not really sure where you got it. Aldridge is damn fast for a 6'11'' guy and he length and Wallace like shot makes it almost impossible to block his shot.

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c) Streaky shooter/scorer -- he's very reliant on his shooting touch. If that's not falling, he's pretty worthless offensively (referring back to the physical limitations).
His 49% FG% should tell you that while he might be somewhat streaky - he is still very good... and his last 2 months last year he did a much better job of playing in the low-post. I think he worked very hard on playing close to the basket all year long - and you could see how much better he got at the low-post at the end of the year. If it continues (and I see no reason why it would not - he is an extremely hard worker) this would not be a real issue.

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I see him as similar to Pau Gasol, but less athletic. I've debated this plenty with others so no need to re-hash. Just my opinion since you asked (sort of).

We all knew Aldridge had a pretty NBA ready game when he was entering the draft; and yes, his scoring numbers have been better than expected. I just don't see him expanding his abilities any further than they currently are, and my gut feeling is that he's the type of guy who'll regress if/when his jumper goes through cold streaks. Not enough other ways to compensate for that. I value versatility you could say.
As I said - his last 2 months of the year were fantastic and he was arguable better than Roy on the Blazers at the end of the year. We also saw the Lakers a lot at the end of the year (all 4 games against them were at that time) - and we saw Aldridge going 1 on 1 against Pau a lot - he won just about every one of these matches and was much tougher than Pau.

The Blazers trainers expect a top-level rookie to really hit his stride in his 2nd year in the league when his body adjusts to the league - and in an interview they said that they considered Aldridge's 2nd year to be his rookie year because he lost so much time in his first year. If this is correct and we can project from the end of the year - we could see Aldridge really blossoming next year - especially when he will have Oden next to him.

Time will tell - but I think that people are really sleeping on how good he is going to be.
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