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07-10-2008, 06:07 PM
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Re: Pax made a huge mistake
Hey Krakken, do you see any similarities between Michael Beasley and Billy Cunningham??
If not, how about a combo of Derrick Coleman, Anthony Mason and Zach Randolph??
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07-11-2008, 08:35 AM
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#212 (permalink)
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Re: Pax made a huge mistake
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Originally Posted by bullybullz
Hey Krakken, do you see any similarities between Michael Beasley and Billy Cunningham??
If not, how about a combo of Derrick Coleman, Anthony Mason and Zach Randolph??
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I tend not to think of players in such frankenstien terms. But the players he reminds me the most of include: Larry Johnson (with a 3 point shot), Derrick Coleman (and not in a bad way), Glen Robinson (with better interior moves), and yes, Zach Randolph.
Anthony mason was actually a fairly competent point forward. Something I don't see Beasley ever becoming.
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07-11-2008, 09:20 AM
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Re: Pax made a huge mistake
I really don't see a ton of Glen Robinson in him... Robinson was a great mid-range jump shooter, which Beasley may prove to be, but couldn't handle the ball to save his life... Beasley has a great handle.
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07-11-2008, 09:51 AM
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Re: Pax made a huge mistake
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I really don't see a ton of Glen Robinson in him... Robinson was a great mid-range jump shooter, which Beasley may prove to be, but couldn't handle the ball to save his life... Beasley has a great handle.
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Beasley has great handle in the "make a move to the basket" kind of way. He does not have "run the offense" scottie pippen/barkley type point forward handle. I would not set up an offense with him handling the ball at the top of the key and expect him to execute a play successfully, for example.
And that's fine. He is after all, trying to project as a 4. They aren't asked to be pg's. But again, I'd guard against these unrealistic expectations and accolades that people seem all too willing to lavish him with.
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07-11-2008, 09:55 AM
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Re: Pax made a huge mistake
Right, I agree he doesn't have a "navigate-your-way around the court with your head up" kind of handle... (Which Pip definitely had...) though as you mention he probably isn't expected to be the 'playmaker' for the Heat... But Big Dog with the ball on a fast break was just terrible to watch... you'd just yell "Pass it! Pass it!" until he dragged a pivot foot or bobbled the ball away... Beasley is way ahead of him in that respect.
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07-11-2008, 10:10 AM
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Re: Pax made a huge mistake
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Originally Posted by Dornado
Right, I agree he doesn't have a "navigate-your-way around the court with your head up" kind of handle... (Which Pip definitely had...) though as you mention he probably isn't expected to be the 'playmaker' for the Heat... But Big Dog with the ball on a fast break was just terrible to watch... you'd just yell "Pass it! Pass it!" until he dragged a pivot foot or bobbled the ball away... Beasley is way ahead of him in that respect.
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07-11-2008, 04:25 PM
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Re: Pax made a huge mistake
Beasley is a Charles Barkley type player.
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07-11-2008, 04:27 PM
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Re: Pax made a huge mistake
I see Beasley as a better Lamar Odom. Odom is strong as hell, but he doesn't seem to take advantage of it.
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07-11-2008, 05:45 PM
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Re: Pax made a huge mistake
I was watching some videos of Larry Johnson and Derrick Coleman, I think theyre probably the most accurate comparisons.
He doesnt have the authorative finishes that Coleman and LJ had around the bucket, but hes a better shooter. Hopefully he has a better attitude and work ethic than Coleman did, but if Coleman and LJ played the way they did over their first few years over the course of their careers...they wouldve been remembered as much better players than they are today. I dont think Beasley has the passing ability that Coleman possessed but he's got a better handle than both of them in terms of creating a shot. Hes only 19, he has a long way to go in order to refine his game and work on getting his teammates more involved. He'll have to learn that playing next to Wade and (maybe) Marion that he cant take 20 shots a game. He'll learn.
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10-30-2008, 04:24 AM
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Re: Pax made a huge mistake
**bump**
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10-30-2008, 06:32 AM
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Re: Pax made a huge mistake
I fully realize it's a long season, and even longer career, for the 2008 draft class. So anything and everything said right now could all be irrelevant in a month, a year, or 5 years.
However, I will say that my concerns about Beasley are looking legit right now. IMO, he looks like a more athletic version of Marcus Fizer. On the plus side he has insane scoring ability when 10 feet or closer to the basket. On the negative side he has a black hole tendency and isn't a good passer. He turns the ball over alot as well.
Those things could improve, but I also get concerned with these things because they are hard habits to break.
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10-30-2008, 07:38 AM
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Re: Pax made a huge mistake
Relax its just 1 game but Mario Chalmers is going to be a star in this league.
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10-30-2008, 02:23 PM
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Re: Pax made a huge mistake
I'd say he could possibly be a more finesse, higher skilled version of LJ. Both short but fairly beefy, and decent skills.
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10-30-2008, 03:40 PM
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