Ben

The sentence before the bolded one makes the bolded one so much better.

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garnett

I don't see what the big deal is with paying him so much money for only one year. Amnesty Boozer if you have to who's getting a similiar amount every year and doing absolutely nothing on the court. Asik guards the C's Noah can't, he's good insurance when Jo gets injured and apart from Rose the reason why we're a good team is our big men depth and interior defense. If we want any chance at beating the Heat over the next 5 years we need interior D and Asik is our best interior defender.

First I read posts complaining the Bulls won't spend any money, then when the chance comes to do so they say don't spend money. One year of big money isn't the end of the world, particularly when the first two were relatively cheap.

Hoodey

1. Who cares about the tax? The tax has to do with Reinsdorf's profits, something I'm not remotely concerned with. I understand concern over the cap, because that governs who your team can and can't sign. I'm not concerned with Jerry's profitability.

2. Why would that force us to re-sign Deng!? Seriously, why!!? Isn't the argument for the Boozer signing that we had to sign him because Deng was signed. Well, if we didn't sign him, we'd be that much closer to being under the cap wouldn't we. Amnesty was not forseeable, but we could amnesty Deng right now.

This whole idea of having to sign one mediocre guy because you signed another mediocre guy is ridiculous. You win with stars. Derrick Rose plus another legit star in a good league. So the only thing you HAVE to do when dealing with non-stars is make sure you don't commit to them in a way that will prevent you from signing STARS.

And before jnr chimes in, I'm not claiming that having cap space guarantees you a second star. You need a GM who can make a sale or even find a great player in the draft. If you don't have a good or great GM, no strategy will work.

3. Neither Asik or Gibson matter. Gibson isn't worth big money either. Nothing more than 5-6 mill at the most. He's another player who CAN'T f-ing SCORE. If Gibson had a dribble drive game and a mid range jumper, great. He has neither. If we're going to win it's going to be through a second star. And if we have a good enough second star, worrying about Gibson or Asik will be moot.

But, much like yourself, I doubt Paxson or Forman or whoever their new "don't blame me" deflection clown is is probably not thinking "second star or die." They're probably thinking about things like useless defensive centers who are inconsistent defensively, have a mid major college offensive game and play 14 minutes a game.

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Hoodey

Can you please stop talking about trade assets until Paxson or Forman or "garpax" actually uses an asset (drum roll) in a trade?!

Since 2005 we've been "oozing with oodles of assets" (yes, that phrase that would make Boy George harder than a slab of granite was used on this board with giddy glee; it was really hard to read).

What has it materialized into? What?! I'm begging for any of you to tell me.

You matching it is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard and qualifies you to be the picture of Bernstein's definition of "basketball dumb."

I'm a harsh critic and even I expect nothing of the 2013 Bulls. So you get out of next year and you have:

Rose at around 19 mill per for years
Boozer for 2 years at 15.3 and 16.8
Deng expiring at the end of 2014
Noah for 3 years at 12, 13 and 14
The Bulls payroll for 2013-14 can be in the mid 50s at it's absolute lowest, maybe more like 60.

Now you go into 2014 and you have a chance to find out if we really can beat the Heat. I say no, but you get to find out. Then at the end of that season, Deng is gone, you can amnesty Boozer and honestly, if you sign the right guy, Noah as your #3 at 13 mill with only 2 more years after 2013-14 is not god awful, and you have the Charlotte pick 2 drafts away at the most.

Under your "let's match it" rationale, now you're going into the summer of 2014 still at 54 the following season amongst only Rose, Boozer, Noah and Asik.

Wow. That's awful.

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Hoodey

Or you could have traded Deng for Andre Drummond, because you're not playing for a ring next year anyway. Even if we get no one, revert back to the fact that we're not playing for a ring next year anyway lol.

The Asik offer is reason to yawn about a guy who played 14 MPG, averaged 2.9 PPG, 4.4 RPG, can't score or threaten the basket in any way that says "NBA" to the novice viewer and is frankly inconsistent with his rah rah defense --- making some decent scratch for being worse than Will Perdue.

Good for him; time to move on.

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Hoodey

When you say "keep Korver" tell me that you mean on a one year deal, right??

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Hoodey

So you don't see any issue with giving out a contract NOW that would put the Bulls over the cap, or too close to the cap to get a guy who is actually worth 15 mill in the summer of 2014 if we let Deng walk and amnesty Boozer.

Good god, now I know how we got in this mess.

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Rhyder

Keep Korver as in pick up his option, yes. Even if we waive everyone and sign a real MLE FA, it's going to be tough to fill in the holes. Keep Korver for depth, simply because you can. I'd rather split the MLE in some way on a vet PG for no more than 2 years and SG. Definitely wouldn't mind rolling the dice on Roy. Give him a 2-year $5M deal with a team option for $5M in year 3 or something along those lines.

Rhyder

If you are over the LT for two consecutive seasons, you can only sign minimum players. I don't want to be put in that situation simply to keep Asik.

Have some foresight. When Deng's contract is up, we would have too much money tied up in players to even sign a MLE player. So do we go after some $3M value backup, or do we amnesty Boozer and still not have enough room under the cap to go after a max player. Lose Deng and Boozer, and you are looking at signing a Marcus Thornton type to replace the loss of both of them. Re-signing Asik means we have no shot at grabbing a star in FA until after Asik's contract is up. That basically means Boozer is here for the duration of his contract as well. Let Asik walk, and you can be a max player FA player next offseason (if we choose).

Having a quality bench matters. Signing Taj at $5-6M would be a good value for a 7th man. Signing Asik at $8M as an 8th/9th is not a good use of funds at all. I really wish we had traded Asik for a draft pick last offseason and signed a vet FA big to be fourth in the rotation if letting him walk should he gotten this offer was in the cards.

Firefight

You always do this in your posts...

How do you know the Bulls didnt try to trade Deng for a lottery pick in this yrs draft? Maybe the other team said no, and the Bulls moved forward.... You often speak like you know the absolute truth, when in fact, your words, are nothing but opinions, just like everyone else.

garnett

With Dwight most likely going to the Nets it makes it even more important that we sign Asik. Howard throws Noah around like a rag doll because he's a PF playing C whereas Asik usually does a good job on him. We have no hope of beating a Howard lead team with Noah guarding him.

Firefight

Well, first, Howard isn't a guarantee to go to Brooklyn...but, if he does, I don't see that as a reason to go out and overpay Asik. Yes, Howard has his way with Noah, but he has his way with most players. Brooklyn, if they get Dwight, doesn't become a serious threat in my eyes. DRose has owned DWill. Williams just doesn't have the quickness on defense to slow Rose. On the other end, Rose is strong enough to not get pushed around by Williams. Getting JJ and Howard is nice, but they are losing every other part of their team. Without any depth or a bench, it just isn't going to work. Basketball might be a sport driven by individuals, but it still takes a team to win...and Brooklyn just isn't going to have a great team, or at least a good enough team to warrant us running out to overpay Asik.

Hoodey

I guess I'm kind of arguing your point here, but my point is that under no circumstances do we re-sign Deng. His contract has been an exercise in overpaying utter mediocrity and those who disagree with me on most things will argue that "well, we had to sign Boozer, because we'd lose the cap room the following year." Why? Because of Deng's contract that you don't give to a player in year one of a superstars career unless he's going to be Scottie Pippen/Kevin McHale, etc.

Does it mean I want Asik here? No. That's a strawman. I'm saying even if somehow, by some freak accident it would look like "we're better off keeping Deng at point X." No, we're not. Not unless he wants to come back at half of what he's making now.

Having a quality bench matters as a difference between two teams who have stars like Miami's and Oklahoma City's. Accumulating well paid bench players (for their role) while failing to address the fact that we don't have a second star is futile. This organization needs to ask "how do we get that star."

It appears Miami can think big. Now, we see freaking New Jersey ERR Brooklyn can think big. John Paxson is apparently above that. Or, for anyone else, John Paxson and whoever his deflection flunkee is nowadays.

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Hoodey

It's hilarious. There is always this presumption that Paxson can make a good trade. Fans here were giddy in 2005 because we were "oozing with oodles of assets." Ever since then I've heard year after year of talk about trade assets, consolidation trades, etc. And why wouldn't you talk about TRADES if you're Pro Paxson. You know he can't sell crap right? You know that what Jerry West DELIVERED when he inked Shaq, or the Riley sales job in 2010 just isn't in Paxson's DNA right?

So I've been hearing about all of these trades, and NOTHING. Since 05, what has this man or his flunkee EVER traded for? EVER?!?! Seriously, I'd like to know.

But the best part is, despite the fact that he hasn't traded for a mop bucket in 7 years, somehow there's this presumption that he's offered no good deals ever, and that he's always looking.

So you tell me. Is there a boycott of the man? Will nobody deal with him? Because I'm trying to figure out how a guy who causes his supporters to get excited about trade assets can't make a trade. It's funny to me.

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Hoodey

But you're paying Noah 12 million. If he's a "PF playing C" who can be exposed by centers, is that good money.

Here's the point. You, or Paxson, is like a bad chess player. It starts off with committing your bishop to a square with no attacking possibilities. Next thing you know you make a constricting pawn move. So to try to generate something you're making risky rook moves. Before you know it, you're placing your queen on risky squares to try to generate something.

Noah was BAD MONEY! He was a role player who is NOT a starting center if you want to compete for a title. So, instead of acknowledging that, moving him and trying to gain flexibility to get out from under a player with a flawed contract, you're contemplating sacking your queen for a knight (signing Asik). Much like the sacrifice by the 1400 rated player against the expert, signing Asik will turn out to be a disaster.

Contracts don't have independent vacuum values. They fit together. Before you sign Noah, you better foresee problems that signing a 6'11" 245 player with PG shoulders who gets thrown around like a rag doll will potentially cause.

The definition of an "unforeseen problem" is signing this guy and it leading to you feeling like you need to pay OMER ASIK 15 million.

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