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Old 08-10-2012, 11:38 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: I love how Philly got Bynum

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While we just sat back and did nothing. Because hey, "we're good." That's Paxson's mentality.

Always remember when people try to say, "well, Howard didn't want to play here, and no other good player has ever been available to Paxson," that Philly has a lot less to deal than us and got Bynum.

Bynum and Rose would have made me MORE Than happy not to get Dwight Howard. But alas, instead of Bynum we still have the Boozer/Deng mediocrity-fest as our #2.
I feel your pain! What makes it even worse is that we lost what little size we had in Asik. It feels like the Bulls are slipping.
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Re: I love how Philly got Bynum

From a Sixer fan perspective:

Iggy's been trying to get out of Philly for the last 2 years.He flat out said he didn't think he'd be with the team coming into last season. He was gone after this year anyways. This wasn't the big gamble you make it out to be. All star 3 for "the second best big man in the league?" Yes please.
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Re: I love how Philly got Bynum

the thing about this is this .

maybe Deng couldn't be a part of this deal , but what about Noah or Boozer .

thats 3 positions of basically the same ability at basically the same salary.

there have been plenty of Howard/Bynum scenerios featuring plenty of teams but the bulls have been a part of none of them.

the answer is simple ,

they didn't want to , they are content with the roster as is .

I think the front office should want to win as badly as their players.
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the thing about this is this .

maybe Deng couldn't be a part of this deal , but what about Noah or Boozer .

thats 3 positions of basically the same ability at basically the same salary.

there have been plenty of Howard/Bynum scenerios featuring plenty of teams but the bulls have been a part of none of them.

the answer is simple ,

they didn't want to , they are content with the roster as is .

I think the front office should want to win as badly as their players.
The simple answer is, none of those guys are worth Iguodala. Deng and Noah are nice, but I would say a tier down from Iggy value wise, and no one in the league wants Boozer at his current salary.
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Re: I love how Philly got Bynum

Iggy is absolutely mote valuable than Deng, silly thing to get worked up about. Though I wouldn't expect anything less from a poster like Hoodey.
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Re: I love how Philly got Bynum

Just because you call Iggy crappy doesn't mean he is. Just because you think Deng is on par with him doesn't mean he is.

Deng is an ok player at best. He plays one position and isn't at all special. And worst of all he is badly overpaid which scares other teams away. He's the fwd version of Afflalo, nice guy plays hard but, limited. Notice how through the years Deng's name always pops up in trade rumors and how those rumors go nowhere ?

The only high paid player the Bulls should have are Rose and Noah. Rose is a star and Noah is a big man. The rest should be expendable.

You should be jumping for joy that the Bulls let Asik go. That may have been the best deal of the off season ! When the Rockets have to pay him $15 million, your mood should change .
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Iggy is a better chip than Deng right now. Arguably, he's a better player when both are healthy, and Deng is not healthy. Deng's shooting percentage has suffered since his injury, and he's thinking of skipping surgery. My guess would be that to get in on this deal, you've got to do better than Deng. As I said before, if I'm wrong about that and you could have dealt Deng to land Bynum, then yes, you definitely, obviously, always make that move.
Iguodala is better than Deng healthy.

Now, here's my thing. Would Deng have failed a physical? Look, I'd have loved it if they did the deal and then it got voided because Deng failed a physical. "Wow, Paxson took a shot! He did something! He does think we need to improve. He does listen when others make very good arguments that we're not good enough and he doesn't sit back with his smug right way bullsh*t talking about 'nah, we're good.'"

Presuming it's just an issue of another team saying, "hey, Deng's wrist lowers his value," okay, how much? Is Denver really going somewhere early in next season? Are they going somewhere that a Deng surgery prevents if he's out till January? Doubtful.

Here's the deal. Is Iguodala better than Deng? Incrementally. Even healthy I'll take Andre, but if Lebron is a dollar and Deng is 50 cents, then I'd call Iguodala 53 cents or so. This is hardly some vast difference.

Now, what's the difference between Iguodala and BYNUM? Far greater than the difference between Iguodala and Deng with a few month injury even.

So we could have offered more and gotten a nice deal STILL. I'd have offered Deng and Gibson for Bynum without thinking twice. Deng and the Charlotte pick? Again, without thinking twice. You can go out there and find 25 guys like Luol Deng or Taj Gibson. I'd have offered Noah. You're not going to find even close to that many who pose the problems Bynum does on the right team (I also think Philly is the wrong team).

So we could have given up quite a bit more than Deng to make it attractive and it's still a good deal.

The thing you're taking advantage of is that it's a four team deal and it's not a situation where you're giving LA return value for a center like Bynum. LA wanted Howard ANYWAY, so you HAVE TO get Bynum out of there. The incentive is THERE to move him, where it's not in a straight up trade. Philly made a great deal! Can they capitalize? Not sure they'll put the personnel around us. Would have been a great deal for us.
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Denver would have to want Deng for Chicago to replace Philly. Iggy is a much better transition player than Deng and the Nuggets are pretty much the highest paced team in the league. Deng just doesn't fit nearly as well with what they do.
I'd have given Gibson and Deng or Deng and the Charlotte pick or Gibson, Hamilton (salary), other salary and the Charlotte pick. Gibson is great for pace.

Don't tell me we couldn't have made this deal, because you know if we WANTED Bynum, we could have been in this deal. Philly didn't have anything close to the arsenal of assets we have. Assets we'll never use apparently
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I feel your pain! What makes it even worse is that we lost what little size we had in Asik. It feels like the Bulls are slipping.
To me it feels more like what this chump has always been. I think sometimes people forget that if we don't get the luckiest in lottery history, how ugly the continuation of the 2008 Bulls would have gotten.
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Iggy's been trying to get out of Philly for the last 2 years.He flat out said he didn't think he'd be with the team coming into last season. He was gone after this year anyways. This wasn't the big gamble you make it out to be. All star 3 for "the second best big man in the league?" Yes please.
And yet you see the reaction here. It's hilarious. Remember, jnr and others played the "well Deng just isn't as good as Andre card." First, we had a lot more assets to make this deal if we want to. We just don't want to. But, BEFORE the "Deng isn't that good" card was played, the first respondent in this thread decided to argue that it's not a good deal because "Bynum could leave." So trading Deng for Andrew freaking Bynum is not good because one day Andre might leave. I guess I shouldn't leave my house tomorrow. Forget work and getting paid. I could get in a car accident. I will now quit my job and remain in my house until I am evicted. The Paxson plan to lower middle class working success. Sweet.
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I'd have given Gibson and Deng or Deng and the Charlotte pick or Gibson, Hamilton (salary), other salary and the Charlotte pick. Gibson is great for pace.

Don't tell me we couldn't have made this deal, because you know if we WANTED Bynum, we could have been in this deal. Philly didn't have anything close to the arsenal of assets we have. Assets we'll never use apparently
Yep.

As it turns out though, Philly was the only team in the whole league that wanted Bynum.

No one else wanted him at all.....
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the thing about this is this .

maybe Deng couldn't be a part of this deal , but what about Noah or Boozer .

thats 3 positions of basically the same ability at basically the same salary.

there have been plenty of Howard/Bynum scenerios featuring plenty of teams but the bulls have been a part of none of them.

the answer is simple ,

they didn't want to
, they are content with the roster as is .

I think the front office should want to win as badly as their players.
And that's just it. When you don't WANT to be part of the deal because you're the kind of moron who thinks your collection of mediocrity is good enough to win a title against good champions, you don't make a deal.

We could have been part of this deal. You hit the nail on the head. We had 11 million ways into this deal. But when you don't want to, you won't! Especially trading for a real legit center who has Wooden fundamentals in the post?! Paxson thinks that's bad. He HATES that. Now, if Bynum was 225, ran the floor like a four and had no offensive game, he would have been kidnapped and brought here by this mediocrity loving chump BEFORE The trade.
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Yep.

As it turns out though, Philly was the only team in the whole league that wanted Bynum.

No one else wanted him at all.....
Houston wanted him. Still does but, they chained themselves to Asik.
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Iggy is absolutely mote valuable than Deng, silly thing to get worked up about. Though I wouldn't expect anything less from a poster like Hoodey.
I've always felt he was somewhat better, but this absolutely is something to get worked up over, because we had more than enough to make up the difference. We could have gone with Deng plus Gibson or the Charlotte pick, or a trade built around Noah. So please.
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The simple answer is, none of those guys are worth Iguodala. Deng and Noah are nice, but I would say a tier down from Iggy value wise, and no one in the league wants Boozer at his current salary.
Not only could we have persuaded Denver with more than Deng, as in Gibson or the Charlotte pick or the same around Noah, we could have gone AROUND Denver and said, "hey guys, let us be part of the deal and you don't need Philly OR Denver. Look what we have to give. Look at all of the ASSETS (that posters who disagree with me all the time love to talk about)! Ditch BOTH Teams and get another team in here and we'll make it worth EVERYONE'S while."

All we needed coming out of this deal was Bynum, Noah OR Gibson and then Rose eventually coming back. You can go down to Halsted Street and get the rest if you have that.

Absolutely ridiculous.
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