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Old 08-10-2012, 08:16 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Houston wanted him. Still does but, they chained themselves to Asik.
I was joking around. Almost every team in the league would want Bynum. That's why it always makes me laugh when I hear "Well once again, looks like we don't want xxxx player and refuse to improve!"

Hoodey makes threads like this any time any player is traded.
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:27 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I was joking around. Almost every team in the league would want Bynum. That's why it always makes me laugh when I hear "Well once again, looks like we don't want xxxx player and refuse to improve!"

Hoodey makes threads like this any time any player is traded.
Uh, that's because you have all of these Bulls fans who have been talking about how we are "oozing with oodles of assets" since Eddy Curry was traded! It's all about asset accumulation, but never about using them. I think right now Rhyder is getting ready to post about the consolidation trade we're going to make in 2014.

I agree that we have assets. We need to use them.

I know a lot of people wanted Bynum. Philly got him for a lot less than we have to give, and could have given while still having enough left to compete after the trade.

What you don't get is that if you have Bynum and Rose, you could have gutted this whole effing team if you wanted to and just put together something nice for 2014. Bynum, Rose, Noah or Gibson and you're fine by the time Rose is ready to make a run.
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The simple answer is, none of those guys are worth Iguodala. Deng and Noah are nice, but I would say a tier down from Iggy value wise, and no one in the league wants Boozer at his current salary.
i would rather have iggy than deng , so i'm not going to argue that , but its not some huge difference

deng avg. 15.3 6.5 and 2.9 last season and iggy 12.4 6.1 and 5.5

both are very good defenders.

there isn't a world of difference and deng is a year younger.

and out of all 3 i would rather have noah because he is a center in a league where most teams have crap centers but good small forwards and shooting guards .

denver obviously with gallo and chandler would have no need for deng but since they are trading afflalo would need a 2guard back and iggy fits the bill.

not arguing that ....but there have been numerous teams involved in these trades over the past year trying to get howard and to a lesser degree bynum and the bulls despite their need to upgrade to a legit contender ( i just dont believe they are one, they are too one dimensional) refuse to do so.

i dont have a problem with the bulls not being in on this particular deal to upgrade their team, but I do have a problem with them not being involved in any deal that will elevate the team.
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I dont think he's quite as good? In the same range? Yes. did the vulls have enough assets to take Philly's place? Yes
Philly gave up Iggy, Harkelis and a first rounder.

Our only similar offer could have been Deng, Gibson, first rounder. Lose Deng and Gibson and Bynum doesn't re-sign, and you better be sure we are going after Kevin Love. Plus we would have to take back Jason Richardson, which limits our FA flexibility by $6 million. FA and the Charlotte draft pick would be our last two chances to pair anyone with Rose.

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i would rather have iggy than deng , so i'm not going to argue that , but its not some huge difference

deng avg. 15.3 6.5 and 2.9 last season and iggy 12.4 6.1 and 5.5

both are very good defenders.

there isn't a world of difference and deng is a year younger.

and out of all 3 i would rather have noah because he is a center in a league where most teams have crap centers but good small forwards and shooting guards .

denver obviously with gallo and chandler would have no need for deng but since they are trading afflalo would need a 2guard back and iggy fits the bill.

not arguing that ....but there have been numerous teams involved in these trades over the past year trying to get howard and to a lesser degree bynum and the bulls despite their need to upgrade to a legit contender ( i just dont believe they are one, they are too one dimensional) refuse to do so.

i dont have a problem with the bulls not being in on this particular deal to upgrade their team, but I do have a problem with them not being involved in any deal that will elevate the team.
That I can agree with. I don't really understand the "Everythings fine. Stay the course" approach the Bulls front office are taking.
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That I can agree with. I don't really understand the "Everythings fine. Stay the course" approach the Bulls front office are taking.
What haven't they done outside of participating in this deal? They are clearly trying to minimize the dollars committed to players over the next two years.
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What haven't they done outside of participating in this deal? They are clearly trying to minimize the dollars committed to players over the next two years.
Why? Because they walked away from an asinine deal for a mediocre backup center?
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You can trade Deng to Toronto if you like.
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Why? Because they walked away from an asinine deal for a mediocre backup center?
You must want Isiah thomas. Fire pax, fire skiles
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Re: I love how Philly got Bynum

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ba...4609--nba.html

Originally, I thought we were being realistic by making moves towards 2014 because Rose's injury put us in a holding pattern, but I firmly believe, no specifics, that GarPax missed out on opportunities to improve, even if marginally, because they're overly cautious.

To me, they are not active enough, whether it's getting something for Brewer, Korver (more), or Watson, or somehow being part of other deals that take advantage of dumb GM's. The Lakers deal proves that there are a handful of smart GM's (Kupchak, Uriji, Cho, Morey) and about 22 moron's who often get second/third chances to screw up other teams (King, Kahn, Grunwald, Mchale) that are continually robbed blind to the point that I honestly feel this deal should be voided. Each team received more than they gave up except the Magic who, for some reason, graciously ate the cumulative difference. GarPAX aren't part of either group, they basically have their own, good / no balls/ cheap.

Iggy is marginally better than Deng, regardless of his wrist. It's ignorant to argue that there is a significant difference in overall talent.


Also, given the above article on Reinsdorf, I worry that we're going to be just like Ewing's Knicks, always very good, but not good enough.
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:57 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Why do people think the Bulls should be part of every damn trade that becomes available. Jeez, there are 29 other teams out there, we can't be part of all of them. Every time a big trade goes down, it's "why wasn't that the Bulls!? @#$% Pax! <end rant>

As for Philly, IMO they made this trade b/c they had to. I agree with the person who said it was risky (Bynum may leave next season) but they pretty much maxed out their talent last year too and are quickly entering permanent mediocrity. That is what happens when you don't have a superstar. Philly got better with this trade, but at best they are still probably a 50-win team similar to the Pacers last year, and they have virtually no options to be better than that. That is the type of player Andrew Bynum is; a "good not great" player who only has trophies b/c he played with 2 other excellent players who are better than him. I've never been a huge fan of the guy personally, though I admit he had a great season this past year.
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Why do people think the Bulls should be part of every damn trade that becomes available. Jeez, there are 29 other teams out there, we can't be part of all of them. Every time a big trade goes down, it's "why wasn't that the Bulls!? @#$% Pax! <end rant>

As for Philly, IMO they made this trade b/c they had to. I agree with the person who said it was risky (Bynum may leave next season) but they pretty much maxed out their talent last year too and are quickly entering permanent mediocrity. That is what happens when you don't have a superstar. Philly got better with this trade, but at best they are still probably a 50-win team similar to the Pacers last year, and they have virtually no options to be better than that. That is the type of player Andrew Bynum is; a "good not great" player who only has trophies b/c he played with 2 other excellent players who are better than him. I've never been a huge fan of the guy personally, though I admit he had a great season this past year.
I thought the bulls should be part of this deal cause of who the f was in it. Bynum is significantly better than anyone on this team buy rose.

Paxson is a chump who somehow still has people defending his (non) actions because of how refreshing he was in 05.

Youre really reaching to defend him
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I would think that if you're going to sum the activity of 29 teams and compare it with the activity of the Bulls (1 team) you're going to be in a constant state of frustration.... so from that perspective this thread (and the plethora of similar threads/comments) are a little bit pointless and annoying to me.

That being said, I get wanting Bynum... he's a gigantic presence in the paint with a high ceiling. If the Bulls really did have the opportunity to acquire him at something resembling a reasonable price and missed out for whatever reason, I'd be upset. The thing is, that's a hypothetical... I have no way to know whether or not we tried and failed, or never tried at all. I just can't see getting agitated over a hypothetical. It seems just as reasonable to me to believe that we did make an offer and were told we didn't have what they were looking for. We don't know.

My best guess is that people probably aren't lining up to trade for Luol Deng. And to anticipate the Hoodey response of "that's what good GMs do, they make those deals happen", that's just not how the world works. Any illusion that anyone has about Mitch Kupcheck or other comparable GMs possessing some kind of jedi-mindtrick where they can force teams to take on less desirable players is just that, an illusion. When I'm negotiating a contract, for example, and the other party doesn't want to do something I want them to do... I can't just will them in the right direction... either you have an offer that is appealing to the other party or you don't. At this professional level there is no duping other GMs (despite the questionable decisions they occasionally make)... this isn't fantasy sports where you might have a lot more information than the other guy. Everyone knows who Luol Deng is... either they want him or they don't.
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My best guess is that people probably aren't lining up to trade for Luol Deng. And to anticipate the Hoodey response of "that's what good GMs do, they make those deals happen", that's just not how the world works. Any illusion that anyone has about Mitch Kupcheck or other comparable GMs possessing some kind of jedi-mindtrick where they can force teams to take on less desirable players is just that, an illusion.


By all aco****s, this is the third or fourth best offer the Magic got and took it (Certainly behind the Rockets). That defies all logic and resulted in Kareem...er, Shaq...er, Gasol..er, Howard to the Lakers. When this happens every decade, stupid GM's aside, the only logical answer is the league is fixed for the Lakers (and Celtics), I'm sorry, there is no doubt about it.
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I thought the bulls should be part of this deal cause of who the f was in it. Bynum is significantly better than anyone on this team buy rose.

Paxson is a chump who somehow still has people defending his (non) actions because of how refreshing he was in 05.

Youre really reaching to defend him
Where in that post did I defend Paxson? You continue to argue against points that were never stated.

I am just saying it gets old when people b**** that we are supposed to be involved with every trade scenario that ever becomes available.
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