thebizkit69u

Its not INSINCERE!

IN THE 47 year HISTORY of the Chicago Bulls, they have NEVER built a title contending team without Jordan. Thats 18 seasons before him and 14 Seasons after him, for a total of 32 YEARS!

jnrjr79

Factually true, but not in any way meaningful.

garnett

Pretty simple. Durant has Westbrook and Harden, Rose has nothing.

Rhyder

Wish I had your crystal ball.

Will OKC have Harden after this year? Will they make the Finals again over the next four years? Will Chicago have acquired no player of note over the next four years?

Durant is a UFA while Rose is still under contract with Chicago.

Everyone knew that LeBron and Bosh were going to play with Wade in Miami.

Pretty simple.

jnrjr79

To me, I just have a hard time seeing how OKC pays all their players without incurring huge luxury tax penalties, in light of the recent extension of Ibaka. As a small market team (though one with a fervent fan base, at least so far in their formative years), can they afford to ignore luxury tax implications that are bound to arise?

In 2013-2014, Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, and Perkins alone are owed $51 million or so. Does Harden get a max extension? If so, how do you build a team without a lot of tax problems?

It seems like you either have to deal someone, likely Perkins, in order to have a viable shot at keeping Harden. Do you amnesty Perkins? My recollection is he extended prior to the new CBA. Perhaps Harden takes a hometown discount of sorts in order to stay with a contender. That's certainly no guarantee in the NBA, so as much as OKC is an attractive situation from a competitive standpoint, I don't know that it's particularly safe to assume they can keep that core 5 together.

thebizkit69u

Its meaningful to me because its TRUE! lol.

Pretty much this, don't forget he also has a defensive player of the year candidate in Serge Ibaka. Simply put, the Thunder have a much wider championship window than the Bulls.

While we are counting the days till an unproven Euro gets here and hoping and wishing that Deng and Noah will turn into anything more than average, OKC will be competing for a title every single year.

jnrjr79

That's not really a worthwhile statement. A penny is worth one cent. Factually true, but not meaningful to a basketball conversation.

thebizkit69u

It is meaningful because the point I made is backed by the fact of my statement!

Jeesh, we can disagree on how great of a job management has done before and after Jordan but to just toss my argument aside just because you don't agree, is just not engaging in a fair argument.

jnrjr79

No, it's not meaningful. Your post noted there have been 32 years of non-Jordan championships. Pretending Michael Jordan didn't exist, in order to make a statistically meaningless point is one thing. But then you fail to recognize that statistically speaking, the number of championships any team should win in a 32-year period is exactly 1. So, pretending Jordan didn't exist, the Bulls are 1 shy of what they should have achieved. Acknowledging reality, the Bulls are far ahead of the number of championships they should have won in the franchise's existence.

Did you know the San Antonio Spurs have won 0 championships without Tim Duncan!?!? That proves San Antonio's front office can't win a championship without Tim Duncan!

thebizkit69u

The Bulls have had a DECADE head start over the Spurs lol. The Bulls have shown 0 ability to build a title winner, the Spurs have built a title contender and winner with Tim Duncan at his prime and with Tim Duncan no longer being the best player on his own team.

I have no faith that this front office will built a title winner any time soon.

jnrjr79

That's fine. My only point was the Jordan issue doesn't actually support the argument.

Da Grinch

it kinda does.

basically the bulls ownership inherited jordan , without the best shooting guard if not the best player in nba history the team has not been a true title contender.

to me the issue is they play it too safe and too profit oriented , if you look at all the winners since 98 everyone has gambled on players that were far from sure things, spent money to the point it would have damaged the bottom line or at least been able to convince their players to accept less because they bought into the program , some have innovated the ways they have gone about building champions.

the pax/gar tandem has been in power almost 10 years now , if they were going to show the acumen to build a winner , it would be apparent by now , but in reality , they repeat what we call mistakes , but in reality may have been just planning all along. like for instance gutting the team of salaries to sign wallace , then doing it again to sign boozer , in both cases grabbing players who had already seen their best basketball and were not what the team really needed, and wallaces' case not better than what jettisoned to be replaced by big ben for far less money(chandler) in boozer's case in what was a free agent bonanza they simply chose wrong. they should have spent it differently or simply held off and made a trade in season.

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As I have stated before, Bulls management are very much satisfied where we are. Bulls is still a very popular club, and its management believes that getting another championship is not worth an extra efforts and money.

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thebizkit69u

The Bulls have either failed or refuse to be a front office with a title winning mentality, this to me is unacceptable, especially after the Jordan years. Like Grinch said, we inherited the Greatest player of all time, his desire to win a title and ferocious competitiveness is what led us to a title, it had nothing to do with Reinsdorf and Krause. If Jordan was as calm and cool as Rose is, I doubt the Bulls would have ever made the moves to put winners around Jordan, no doubt in my MIND Doug Collins would have still been the Coach of the Bulls if Jordan was as passive as Rose.

There are no innovative minds up at the Berto Center. Gar is cut from the same cloth that Pax is cut from, these two guys value winners over talent, they cling to the old mentality that hustle and try hard guys at the end of the day win a title. Coming from a franchise who won titles because they had the baddest MOTHER F' in the history of the game, this mentality is just disappointing. At some point reality has to set in and this franchise has to just accept that the NBA is changing and that a team built around 1 superstar is just not going to cut it anymore. Reinsdorf is going to have to stop running the Bulls like a small market team and start acting like we are all about winning titles at all costs.