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Old 12-10-2012, 10:42 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: Pretty bad year for Chicago Sports

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My friend Broderick is a diehard 49ers fan. He wanted Singletary gone and wanted a new coach to be an offensive guy. I countered, "why? Does it matter if he's a good coach?"

His answer was that it does matter. He explained that when it's a defensive guy who is head coach, the defensive philosophy will be cemented in stone as long as that guy is head coach, and if the team needs a change, it will be over and over on offense. Whereas, if the head coach is an offensive guy, then the opposite is true.

So, if we hired a coach named Tim Smarbaugh for example, and he was an offensive guy, it wouldn't matter if new coordinators came in, because they'd be coming in to coach Tim's vision of the offense. So, let's say Tim Smarbaugh brought in a new OC, that guy had success, but got a head coaching job. The next guy would be coming in to teach Smarbaugh's vision of the offense.

If you think back to all the guys Smith has brought in to be the "defensive coordinator" this kind of makes sense, no?

If you want Smith gone, the bad news is that Tice is NOT sticking around. There's no way on earth a qualified offensive head coach thinks that Tice is a good idea for even five minutes.

The good news is, after that change from Tice to said coach's OC, the OC methodology will remain the same so long as you have that coach.

Smith was a good idea when our best player for years to come was Urlacher. Defense would stay so Urlacher could shine. Now it's Cutler, so we need to flip the occassional turnover from OC to DC.

Besides, this offense blows. Forget the lack of any NFL players on the OL. Just the way they scheme is not for Jay. The way they scheme is a lot more for Orton ironically. The guy Jay reminds me most of who has won SBs is Elway. I'd like to see Jay in a scheme similar to 98 Denver.
Bill Belichick and the Pats seemed to do alright with a defensive minded coach and a franchise QB as their best player.

Honestly, I don't think Lovie Smith is a perfect coach (he certainly is no Bill Belichick) but I don't think he's a terrible coach either. I don't buy into the "the league has figured out his defense" thing because it is usually parroted by folks operating under some illusion that we are constantly running the Cover 2... and it sort of ignores the fact that we've allowed the 3rd fewest points in the league (and have been top 5 in that category 5 times in Smith's tenure... including two of the last three seasons). Our faults relate more directly to a lack of offensive talent, with the obvious glaring weaknesses on the offensive line and in the receiving corps. Angelo left the cupboard bare in those areas (and in some others, like young depth on defense). If it is the case that Lovie Smith is responsible for those personnel decisions, or, as some have mentioned, if he's overruling the better judgement of Phil Emery then I would agree that problem needs to be addressed (either through Smith's removal or shift in organizational philosophy) but I haven't heard much concrete evidence to that effect beyond "I heard it on the score", so I'm not quite sure what to do with that one. To me, the "Fire Lovie" conversation is entirely contingent on who the replacement is.
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Bill Belichick and the Pats seemed to do alright with a defensive minded coach and a franchise QB as their best player.

Honestly, I don't think Lovie Smith is a perfect coach (he certainly is no Bill Belichick) but I don't think he's a terrible coach either. I don't buy into the "the league has figured out his defense" thing because it is usually parroted by folks operating under some illusion that we are constantly running the Cover 2... and it sort of ignores the fact that we've allowed the 3rd fewest points in the league (and have been top 5 in that category 5 times in Smith's tenure... including two of the last three seasons). Our faults relate more directly to a lack of offensive talent, with the obvious glaring weaknesses on the offensive line and in the receiving corps. Angelo left the cupboard bare in those areas (and in some others, like young depth on defense). If it is the case that Lovie Smith is responsible for those personnel decisions, or, as some have mentioned, if he's overruling the better judgement of Phil Emery then I would agree that problem needs to be addressed (either through Smith's removal or shift in organizational philosophy) but I haven't heard much concrete evidence to that effect beyond "I heard it on the score", so I'm not quite sure what to do with that one. To me, the "Fire Lovie" conversation is entirely contingent on who the replacement is.
Well yeah, Belichick is a far superior coach to a Lovie Smith or Sean Payton. He is going to be able to do things that other defensive coaches wouldn't do with Cutler.

The Patriots have never been an offensive team.. They got Brady with a very late pick, but you look at the teams that have won for New England, and they were centered around very good defenses. While Brady is a talent, he's perhaps the best game-manager of any QB ever. I'm not saying he is a "game manager" the way you'd say it about Orton, where he's that first and foremost. He's a talented guy who also happens to be a great game manager. So it makes sense to put him on one side and defensive assets on the other. And Moss, Gronkowski, and all of these other guys are irrelevant. When they were winning SUPER BOWLS this was the approach.

You don't need the kind of commitment to offense with Brady and Belichick that you do with Cutler.

I'm not saying Smith is a bad coach. I'm saying that I think he's so-so to pretty good, but that we just need an offensive guy of around the same caliber. Let the defense be the weak side of the ball in terms of asset disbursement, and my argument is that you want the head coach to be on the strong side of the ball in that sense.

That's if you have a GOOD QB who is hardly great like Cutler AND it's something you can do with a pretty good NOT GREAT coach like Sean Payton.

Give me an example like Brady and Belichick and all you are arguing is that a great QB and great coach can do things that a coach and QB who are merely GOOD cannot.

B&B mentioned Sean Payton tonight. I'd agree. I would have loved to have had Jim Harbaugh when he was available. Just a GOOD offensive coach. You don't need Bill Walsh.

I'm not so much against Lovie as I feel that the Lovie thing has run it's course and it's time to have an offensive coach.
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