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Old 10-16-2012, 02:37 PM   #16 (permalink)
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agreed. But I still don't think the expectation is that Kirk will be the leading scorer. Carlos just doesn't look up to it, for whatever reason. Deng might.

I think Bogg is on to something. Let Deng "lead" to an above average record, then trade him for some significant talent more suited to Derrick. Though, to be honest, Deng is really pretty good, and it's hard to see who we might get who might provide what Deng gives...
The way I look at it Deng is a good player, but 3rd/4th options aren't irreplaceable.
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He was second option on a championship level team last year.

I'm not counting on seeing last night's Rip during the season, but maybe he'll surprise us?

Odds are that Deng will be the leading scorer until Derrick comes back.
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:18 PM   #18 (permalink)
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...Odds are that Deng will be the leading scorer until Derrick comes back.
...and we will be loosing every other game. Then after Derrick comes back, Deng will be on injury list for the rest of the season.
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...and we will be loosing every other game.

Isn't going .500 without Rose a good result?
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:39 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Well, Bulls96, my guess is that we go 50-30 this year, assuming Derrick makes it back by end of February, perhaps 43 to 45 wins if he doesn't. I'd say you're about right, just a bit better than 500 without Derrick.

The Deng is a wuss mantra doesn't hold weight, however.
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Isn't going .500 without Rose a good result?
“Overactive Deng“ historically ends with extended injury.
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“Overactive Deng“ historically ends with extended injury.

First, that's not in any way responsive to the question I posed.

Second, your contention is obviously untrue. I know you've got an agenda (and I don't particularly think Deng is all that), but obviously the "soft" critique, from an injury standpoint, has no merit.
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He was second option on a championship level team last year.

I'm not counting on seeing last night's Rip during the season, but maybe he'll surprise us?

Odds are that Deng will be the leading scorer until Derrick comes back.
deng was 7th in points per minute and shots per minute on the bulls last season.

the only reason he scored 15 points was that he led the league in minutes.

he was not the 2nd option...the only guy in the starting line up who scored less often was noah.
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First, that's not in any way responsive to the question I posed.

Second, your contention is obviously untrue. I know you've got an agenda (and I don't particularly think Deng is all that), but obviously the "soft" critique, from an injury standpoint, has no merit.
My respond perfectly matched your question related to my original comment.

Deng, as well as other our key players, need to be healthy and “ready”, when Derrick
returns.


That objective is far more important that team’s standing or Deng’s individual statistics.
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deng was 7th in points per minute and shots per minute on the bulls last season.

the only reason he scored 15 points was that he led the league in minutes.

he was not the 2nd option...the only guy in the starting line up who scored less often was noah.
That's a fair distinction. Let's say, he was the second "leader". And yeah, that's the problem with relying on Deng to do so much. He just doesn't have it in him to do the scoring role well when he was so many other burdens.

The question remains, though. Who will be the scoring leader while Rose is out?

You could make an argument that it's going to be one of Bulls96's two favorite players, Deng or Boozer. Perhaps Hamilton? Deng will play so many minutes again, especially if Jimmy just doesn't come through, that the odds will be in his favor, even if he isn't the number one scoring option for most of the time he is on the court.
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My respond perfectly matched your question related to my original comment.

Deng, as well as other our key players, need to be healthy and “ready”, when Derrick
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That objective is far more important that team’s standing or Deng’s individual statistics.

It makes no sense to quote me and then post something entirely non-responsive. If you want to have a conversation with yourself, that's fine, but the post as written didn't make any sense in the context of the conversation.

Anyway, the "soft" critique remains incorrect.
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That's a fair distinction. Let's say, he was the second "leader". And yeah, that's the problem with relying on Deng to do so much. He just doesn't have it in him to do the scoring role well when he was so many other burdens.

The question remains, though. Who will be the scoring leader while Rose is out?

You could make an argument that it's going to be one of Bulls96's two favorite players, Deng or Boozer. Perhaps Hamilton? Deng will play so many minutes again, especially if Jimmy just doesn't come through, that the odds will be in his favor, even if he isn't the number one scoring option for most of the time he is on the court.

It needs to be Boozer, frankly. I think Boozer/Hamilton/Deng makes the most sense, if the piece on the team perform the roles they should. I'm not terribly confident in that outcome, however.
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The question shouldn't be who is going to lead the Bulls in ppg while Rose is out. The question should be, who is going to score those points in the final minutes of the 4th quarter.

We know Boozer can be a good post scorer at times, particularly early in games. Deng can also get hot if he is being aggressive. Nate will be a nice option off the bench to bring in... RIP, Marco, and Kirk also can score at times... But with that said, I have zero confidence in any of these guys to take over a close game in the closing minutes, and that is where Rose will be missed the most.

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The question shouldn't be who is going to lead the Bulls in ppg while Rose is out. The question should be, who is going to score those points in the final minutes of the 4th quarter.

We know Boozer can be a good post scorer at times, particularly early in games. Deng can also get hot if he is being aggressive. Nate will be a nice option off the bench to bring in... RIP, Marco, and Kirk also can score at times... But with that said, I have zero confidence in any of these guys to take over a close game in the closing minutes, and that is where Rose will be missed the most.

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That's why I think your phrasing of the question is overstated. You're right, there isn't anyone on the roster who can score as reliably in the final minutes of a close game. So, we're going to lose those close games with greater frequency than when Derrick is playing. No question. And your analysis is ostensibly going to be the biggest reason why.

Nevertheless, I don't foresee us becoming catastrophically bad. In fact, I see us being at least above average (above 500). The question is, who is going to carry the greatest scoring burden on the team that leads them to that kind of performance, and my suggestion is that it will be Deng, for reasons of minutes and reasons of proficiency as a scorer and leader.

could be Boozer, yeah. That would be great, really. He's a much smoother scorer than Deng. My oldest son told me when we saw the Bulls last season, that Rose and Boozer were the only guys who didn't look awkward moving around. It's just not clear to me that he will come through. If he does, then I look for the Bulls to exceed my 50 win prediction for the year.

Rip is another option. he's looking pretty good right now. And he was the leading scorer on a championship team, albeit at 17ppg. But that was then. Not sure if he can hold up. I'm guessing he'll be out there 2/3rds of the time. Not enough to be scoring leader. Again, if he does come through like the rip of old, then up goes the win total.

I say the odds are still with Deng as leading scorer this season for the Bulls on a 50 win team (Derrick back by end of Feb).
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Fans get down on Deng because his offense slumps when he is injured. When healthy, Deng is closing in around 18 ppg, 48% shooting, and is pretty automatic from 18 ft and in when open. During injury riddled seasons, he is more in the 15 pgg, 43% shooting, and struggles more with his jumper.

Good Deng is very much a second option, but he is limited in that he relies on others to set him up.

Banged up Deng is probably more a third option.

Lets hope he stays healthy. So far, he has had 4 relatively healthy seasons out of 8.
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