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Old 10-23-2012, 05:27 AM   #31 (permalink)
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A guy whose best-case scenario is 18 ppg, but only if he has the right teammates to set him up, isn't a second option. Ensemble casts have gotten it done in the past, but it's typically much harder that way.
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:09 PM   #32 (permalink)
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A guy whose best-case scenario is 18 ppg, but only if he has the right teammates to set him up, isn't a second option. Ensemble casts have gotten it done in the past, but it's typically much harder that way.
Reggie Miller must have been a terrific third option.

There are so many flaws with your assessment, I don't even know where to start.

I expect Deng to average in the 20-22 ppg range and be the Bulls leading scorer while Rose is out. If that's still third or fourth option basketball to you, then no one will ever change your mind.
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Old 10-24-2012, 03:10 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Reggie Miller must have been a terrific third option.

There are so many flaws with your assessment, I don't even know where to start.

I expect Deng to average in the 20-22 ppg range and be the Bulls leading scorer while Rose is out. If that's still third or fourth option basketball to you, then no one will ever change your mind.
An entire career of showing us he's not a second option isn't enough for you? Deng can't dribble a basketball, he relies on open jumpers and teammates setting him up. That's third option at best.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:51 PM   #34 (permalink)
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An entire career of showing us he's not a second option isn't enough for you? Deng can't dribble a basketball, he relies on open jumpers and teammates setting him up. That's third option at best.
I'm still failing to see how handles = second option. Poor Karl Malone, David Robinson, Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, Glen Rice, Ray Allen, etc...

NBA fan base must have gone MJ-lite perimeter scoring crazy. Garnett isn't a second option either by your definition.

Deng isn't a world beater, but he is definitely the second option on this team. First option with Rose out unless Boozer somehow revitalizes himself.
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You go, Rhyder!

Night in, night out, Deng is pretty damn consistent. Boozer or Hamilton might have a better night from time to time, but without DRose, you count on Deng and then hope for one or two others to step up.
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Reggie Miller must have been a terrific third option.
Reggie was scoring 18 a game on ensemble casts that were trying to win a title. Reggie's also overrated. Deng's going to be on a team that'd consider .500 basketball a huge success. Ben Gordon's put up 20 a game for playoff squads, but nobody intends to build a championship squad with him as the sidekick.


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I expect Deng to average in the 20-22 ppg range and be the Bulls leading scorer while Rose is out. If that's still third or fourth option basketball to you, then no one will ever change your mind.
For Deng to average that kind of point production, he's going to see a drop-off in the quality of his defense and rebounding, and the Bulls offense is unlikely to be all that efficient. That's Paul Pierce-type production, and Deng's nowhere near the offensive talent that a younger Paul Pierce was.

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I'm still failing to see how handles = second option. Poor Karl Malone, David Robinson, Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, Glen Rice, Ray Allen, etc...
Yes, well, if Deng had an all-time post up game or was one of the best shooters ever, we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we? You don't have to be a fantastic ball-handler to get your own offense, but the problem is that Deng's got a good all-around offensive game without doing any one thing particularly well. He's an elite utility guy, not an elite scorer.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:52 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I'm still failing to see how handles = second option. Poor Karl Malone, David Robinson, Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, Glen Rice, Ray Allen, etc...

NBA fan base must have gone MJ-lite perimeter scoring crazy. Garnett isn't a second option either by your definition.

Deng isn't a world beater, but he is definitely the second option on this team. First option with Rose out unless Boozer somehow revitalizes himself.
truthfully anyone can be a 2nd option, if a team chose to feature them, virtually all nba players were at one point star college scorers , but deng would not be a good 2nd option .

when you look at the teams that made the playoffs its hard to find a 1st or 2nd option scorer who is equal or less prolific at scoring than deng, he scored 14.0 per 36 minutes last season.

the pacers alone had 7 players scoring at a higher rate , the bulls had 6

out of the trio of boozer rip and nate , none have ever scored at such a low rate at any point in their careers( a combined 30 seasons).

add to that deng is not especially efficient, he doesn't draw alot of fouls,he is not good at creating for himself, nor is he good at creating offense for others , its fitting a square peg in a round hole.

he is a good scorer , but there is just no way its realistic to assume he can handle that kind of burden, and even if he could it would be counter productive because his versatility as well as his defense are his prime assets , both would suffer if he were trying to avg. 22 a game, as would the team .
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truthfully anyone can be a 2nd option, if a team chose to feature them, virtually all nba players were at one point star college scorers , but deng would not be a good 2nd option .

when you look at the teams that made the playoffs its hard to find a 1st or 2nd option scorer who is equal or less prolific at scoring than deng, he scored 14.0 per 36 minutes last season.

the pacers alone had 7 players scoring at a higher rate , the bulls had 6

out of the trio of boozer rip and nate , none have ever scored at such a low rate at any point in their careers( a combined 30 seasons).

add to that deng is not especially efficient, he doesn't draw alot of fouls,he is not good at creating for himself, nor is he good at creating offense for others , its fitting a square peg in a round hole.

he is a good scorer , but there is just no way its realistic to assume he can handle that kind of burden, and even if he could it would be counter productive because his versatility as well as his defense are his prime assets , both would suffer if he were trying to avg. 22 a game, as would the team .
Deng would be a great third option on a Heat, Thunder, LA Lakers, and am not trying argue him that or wouldn't mind an upgrade on the offensive end. I'm arguing that Deng can and is good enough to be an adequate second option on a team that can still compete for a championship.

I would love to make Deng a third option on this team through draft or trade. But until that happens, he can definately fill the role.
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Deng would be a great third option on a Heat, Thunder, LA Lakers, and am not trying argue him that or wouldn't mind an upgrade on the offensive end. I'm arguing that Deng can and is good enough to be an adequate second option on a team that can still compete for a championship.

I would love to make Deng a third option on this team through draft or trade. But until that happens, he can definately fill the role.
the 2nd options on those teams are wade, westbrook and dwight howard

the 3rd options are kevin martin, chris bosh and pau gasol.

if they replaced any of those 6 players with deng it would be a major downgrade on the offensive end.

the really good offensive teams have their top players who make others more efficient or are very efficient themselves and sometimes both ,

deng is neither so he wouldn't be a featured offensive player for any of those 3 teams, as much hate as boozer gets on this board he is the only one outside of rose who would be a featured offensive player on any of those teams.
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Deng and Boozer combine ($13,326,700+$15,000,000) are making 40% of team’s salary and next season it will close to 50% … that is ridiculous.

Their top market price is less than $16M
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