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Old 02-22-2013, 10:17 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Tom Thibodeau is paid to do a job , not of his own choosing but of his bosses, he can accept or quit , but his job is dictated to him by garpax , not the other way around.
No, that's not how it works with the vast majority of teams in the NBA. If Garpax wanted to control this team he would not have re signed Thibs to a big contract. Like I said, I can see younger teams or bad teams being able to tell their coaches how to coach but not a team that has had soo much success mostly to its coaching.

The Bulls would be the laughing stock of the NBA if they let go of Thibs because he din't coach the way Garpax wanted them coached.

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projections go by wear and tear vs age and how many games noah is playing...no one retires because of a sore foot(plantar faciatis) so this is unlikely to shorten his career at all...probably the opposite.
Just take a look at the history of foot problems and big men, its a devastatingly bad combination. This is a big problem for Noah because his game is built around jumping around and rebounding like a spazz, his feet take a beating because hes constantly jumping and hustling.

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Don't like these comments just because there was no move to be made at the deadline. Josh Smith is not a prize target.
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Don't like these comments just because there was no move to be made at the deadline. Josh Smith is not a prize target.
Yeah I agree. The comments sound like your typical disgruntled uninformed fan who complain but don't give any attention to the details or context of the situation.

Given the little activity that happened at the deadline across the whole league, I just can't imagine there was much out there to be had that would've actually improved the roster. Eric Gordon and Kevin Love are 2 of my favorite names being floated these days, but I just don't think their respective teams are in the mood to "sell low".

And you know what, if Reggie wants to do what's best for his brother, let Derrick play so he can finish his damn rehab. (Derrick is not there yet, but he IS very close...) By holding him out, not only do make him even more rusty in every aspect of playing the game, but you also give the front office less information to work with when it comes to improving the team. It may be the case the front office wants to avoid blockbuster moves until we know where Derrick is at in his progression. Derrick's readiness is, and should, be a major consideration when the front office decides to go "all in" for a title.
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I don't think Reggie was just mad because of the lack of activity in the trade deadline, but maybe hes fed up with lack of urgency this team has shown the last 3 years. They haven't really done anything in the last 2 years that brings Rose closer to a title.
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I don't think Reggie was just mad because of the lack of activity in the trade deadline, but maybe hes fed up with lack of urgency this team has shown the last 3 years. They haven't really done anything in the last 2 years that brings Rose closer to a title.
Then why come out with the comments an hour after the trade deadline where there were no moves to be made to prove their 'sense of urgency' rather than a different time where a possibility to acquire a big name presents itself?
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Glad to see this board still in the flow of things and glad to be back on the forum formerly known as basketballboards from way back when. Been on realgm's board for a minute but that board is a mess of over reactive fans with unrealistic expectations.

Anyway, as for the subject, I would like to know from Reggie exactly what moves the Bulls couldhave made and besides your brother, who else we could have moved in order to get a second star to the Bulls? Seeing what was made available, I don't see what they could have done. Had big name stars been made available, then I could understand your point, but seeing what was out there, I understand why they didn't; JJ Reddick or anybody that got moved isn't going to take this team over the top. This team was the top seeded team with the best record in the league for the previous 2 years and it was a known fact that after Derrick got injured, this team wasn't going to be contending for the title this year. Despite that, this team is right in the thick of things and busting their behinds. If I'm Noah and company, I'm pissed at Derrick if Reggie is just echoing his sentiments. Basically, he's calling them a bunch of scrubs...
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No, that's not how it works with the vast majority of teams in the NBA. If Garpax wanted to control this team he would not have re signed Thibs to a big contract. Like I said, I can see younger teams or bad teams being able to tell their coaches how to coach but not a team that has had soo much success mostly to its coaching.

The Bulls would be the laughing stock of the NBA if they let go of Thibs because he din't coach the way Garpax wanted them coached.



Just take a look at the history of foot problems and big men, its a devastatingly bad combination. This is a big problem for Noah because his game is built around jumping around and rebounding like a spazz, his feet take a beating because hes constantly jumping and hustling.



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no, it always comes down to who signs the checks .

if reinsdorf or garpax decide tommorrow the bulls need to rebuild , its not thibs telling them what to do. del negro almost got chocked out for playing noah too much , you really think they dont give orders as to coaching?

its just common sense , if you are hired to coach a team the person hiring you outlines your duties. thibs is a head coach with 2 year experience, he's not pat riley or even phil jackson ....and even phil if he decided to stay on in 99 he was going to coaching a rebuilding effort.

tissue issues are not career threatening at worst he will have to hut it down til he's better , and if garpax puts a limit on noah's pt , and tommy t disregards it , he'll face the same fate vinny did.
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I don't really see a problem with the Bulls' supporting cast. It would be helpful if y'all had another guard that could create his own offense but no roster is without its' flaws.

Like if we look at the Derrick Rose Bulls since his MVP year

2011: Made the ECF, lost to a Miami team that won it all the next year in five tight games. The fact that it only went to 5 is disheartning, but it was Rose's first real test of deep playoff runs and he was going up against a pre finals LeBron that obliterated the eastern conference like no one since MJ. Not a terrible way to go out.

2012: Have the first seed, look like they're on another planet than the 76er's based on game one and Rose gets hurt. Obviously falling apart at that stage is likely and that's what happened. But look at the rest of the playoffs; a mediocre Boston team pushes the Heat to 7 and held a lead in the second half of game 7. So, not only were the Bulls a better team top to bottom, they would have had homecourt and a player that is substantially better than anyone on the Celtics if Rose was healthy. They could have conceivably won that series.

2012: In the playoff hunt despite Rose being out the entire season. If he returns at 75% before the playoffs I have little doubt that this is the second best team in the conference, maybe third at worst to Indiana. If Rose comes back 100% then you're looking at a real title contender.

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Glad to see this board still in the flow of things and glad to be back on the forum formerly known as basketballboards from way back when. Been on realgm's board for a minute but that board is a mess of over reactive fans with unrealistic expectations.

Anyway, as for the subject, I would like to know from Reggie exactly what moves the Bulls couldhave made and besides your brother, who else we could have moved in order to get a second star to the Bulls? Seeing what was made available, I don't see what they could have done. Had big name stars been made available, then I could understand your point, but seeing what was out there, I understand why they didn't; JJ Reddick or anybody that got moved isn't going to take this team over the top. This team was the top seeded team with the best record in the league for the previous 2 years and it was a known fact that after Derrick got injured, this team wasn't going to be contending for the title this year. Despite that, this team is right in the thick of things and busting their behinds. If I'm Noah and company, I'm pissed at Derrick if Reggie is just echoing his sentiments. Basically, he's calling them a bunch of scrubs...
Good to see you back. I agree if pressed, Reggie probably can't actually identify the move that should have been made. He was just spouting off general steam like a casual fan would.
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no, it always comes down to who signs the checks .
This is just not correct. IN THE NBA, GM's don't tell coaches how to coach. Sure they can impose minute limits and encourage that the coach play a rookie, but there is no way in hell Garpax would ever say to the former coach of the year to "tank it". You think R.C. Buford is telling Gregg Popovich to stop sitting his star players because it affects ticket sales? Obviously the best thing for a team like the Celtics to do is to tank it, but Doc Rivers is still playing who ever he thinks gives them the best chance to win.

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if reinsdorf or garpax decide tommorrow the bulls need to rebuild , its not thibs telling them what to do. del negro almost got chocked out for playing noah too much , you really think they dont give orders as to coaching?
Del Negro got chocked because he did not follow the imposed Minutes limit that Pax set for Noah. Setting a limit on an injured player is different from telling a coach to stop playing certain players in order to improve ones draft pick.

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its just common sense , if you are hired to coach a team the person hiring you outlines your duties. thibs is a head coach with 2 year experience, he's not pat riley or even phil jackson ....and even phil if he decided to stay on in 99 he was going to coaching a rebuilding effort.
Thats different, Jordan retired and Pip was done as a great player. Phil Jackson coaching in 99 is different from saying that its Thibs job to coach TO TANK. Obviously if the team blew up the squad Thibs would coach, but there is no way in hell that Thibs would coach to lose. Period.

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tissue issues are not career threatening at worst he will have to hut it down til he's better , and if garpax puts a limit on noah's pt , and tommy t disregards it , he'll face the same fate vinny did.
If there is a minutes limit, Tom Thibs will not go over it. Hes a professional coach who's been in the game a very long time. Vinny was a horrible coach, who intentionally or not blew off what Pax told him.
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Re: Ruh Roh: Reggie Rose Rips Bulls FO

Reggie has no buisness getting involved, hes a manager and im not saying he doesnt know basketball but he shouldnt make statements like that. They made good improvements bringing in hinrich and robinson. We would be 3rd seat still if it werent for our injuries and rose is dunking good know so i know were taking the right step.
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