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Old 12-19-2013, 09:05 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Yes! Another loss is in the books! Moving on up (or down, depending on how you look at it).
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Yes! Another loss is in the books! Moving on up (or down, depending on how you look at it).
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So, if the Bobcats finish outside the top ten and we finish inside the top ten this could set up perfect for us. If I was GarPax given D-Roses injury history I would take Marcus Smart first if we land in the top ten and then take a shooter second I.E. James Young from UK. This would be perfect for us. No way we can get Wiggins or Parker to play the at the 3.
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http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?s...go&src=desktop


I really hope this is just posturing, because they would be so very stupid to hold on to Deng.
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I really hope this is just posturing, because they would be so very stupid to hold on to Deng.
"Despite failing to come to terms on a contract extension before the season, the Bulls remain optimistic they will re-sign Deng next summer."

Why does this NOT surprise me!?
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The only good I can see coming from the Bulls not trading Luol Deng is the following:

The Bulls finish in the bottom 8 and draft a quality player. Charlotte makes the playoffs and the Bulls get another first round pick to add depth to the team.
The Bulls then amnesty Boozer and sign Mirotic and another free agent. Following these signings the Bulls then sign-and-trade Deng allowing to add salary well passed the salary cap. This way they can add even more pieces to the team or package someone with Deng for an even better player.
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The only good I can see coming from the Bulls not trading Luol Deng is the following:

The Bulls finish in the bottom 8 and draft a quality player. Charlotte makes the playoffs and the Bulls get another first round pick to add depth to the team.
The Bulls then amnesty Boozer and sign Mirotic and another free agent. Following these signings the Bulls then sign-and-trade Deng allowing to add salary well passed the salary cap. This way they can add even more pieces to the team or package someone with Deng for an even better player.
With the way contracts have been going the last couple of years, I don't see ANYONE wanting a signed and traded Deng at 13+ million. The Bulls need to trade him now.
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With the way contracts have been going the last couple of years, I don't see ANYONE wanting a signed and traded Deng at 13+ million. The Bulls need to trade him now.
There are many teams that would part with a bad contract or two in exchange for Luol Deng. Those "bad contracts" could still be positive pieces in a deep Bulls rotation.

I'm not suggesting that the Bulls do this, I'm simply saying that could be the only positive thing to come out of NOT trading Luol Deng. But to hold out hope that you can sign-and-trade him after the season and risk losing him for nithing is dumb IF you can get someone to take him as a second half/playoff rental.

My hopes just aren't high that this management team is competent enough to make these smart decisions and deals.
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Re: The Official 2014 Bulls draft thread.

From Chad Ford:

The Bulls continue to bomb. The team is now 4-12 since Derrick Rose went down with another knee injury and has a number of bad losses on its resume.

While our own Brian Windhorst reported last week that the Bulls don't want to trade Luol Deng before the trade deadline, the rumblings out of Chicago are that they aren't going to make an effort to turn around the ship either. Bulls management isn't exploring any trades to make the team better in the short term. The more that 44.9 percent chance of making the playoffs goes down, the better. -
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Bulls lose a spot to the Cavs. From #8 to #9..... Ugh, stop winning!!!
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The Bulls continue to bomb. The team is now 4-12 since Derrick Rose went down with another knee injury and has a number of bad losses on its resume.

While our own Brian Windhorst reported last week that the Bulls don't want to trade Luol Deng before the trade deadline, the rumblings out of Chicago are that they aren't going to make an effort to turn around the ship either. Bulls management isn't exploring any trades to make the team better in the short term. The more that 44.9 percent chance of making the playoffs goes down, the better. -
LOL at Ford, it's like he thinks this is a bad thing. Here is my take on the Bulls' thinking right now (totally IMO):

The Bulls are not actively pursuing moves b/c anything they do will be perceived as committing to a direction: either win now or tank. And it's a catch 22...both directions have pros/cons. "Win now" would please Thibs/Rose, but would blow any chance of getting a high pick in a great draft. On the other hand they could make trades to get worse in the short term (e.g., dump Deng/Boozer for cap relief and draft picks), which gets us closer to a Parker/Wiggins draft, but then you worry about losing Thibs and straining things even more with Rose. In both cases it's lose-lose. But if they stand pat, they are saying these are the horses we rode into battle for better or worse. Thibs/Rose can't complain if we stand pat (well not any more than they have already) b/c this team was set up to be a contender and you can't control these injuries. But by the same token we're putting ourselves into lottery contention. So given these dreadful circumstances it's pretty much the best of both worlds...keep Thibs/Rose content while still being in position for a lotto pick in a strong draft. I think the Bulls' front office knows the value of a high draft pick this year but needs to balance that with the perceptions of Thibs/Rose and keeping them happy.

Also I think the Bulls want to keep/re-sign Luol Deng this summer, but only at the right price. All of these "rumors" are likely just Deng's agent leaking stuff to the media to drive up his price; as such I put very little stock in these reports. The Bulls will only trade Deng if they receive a can't miss offer in return. They likely aren't giving up hope of re-signing him on a reasonable deal, maybe something like 4 years, $40-48M. For $10M/yr I would love to keep Deng as I think he'll produce at this level for another 3-4 years at least and his game should age gracefully.
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I see 0 pros in Win Now.

There are NO PROS to that approach. The idea that playoff "experience" is something that can be measured as something of value, is a fallacy.

This team is very bad, they are NOT going to compete for a title and winning games NOW only takes them further away from being a title contender in the future. Management HAS TO SEE this, its incredibly shortsighted to not see it this way.
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I see 0 pros in Win Now.

There are NO PROS to that approach.
I agree except for the point I made above...Thibs & Rose.

If Thibs thinks the front office isn't trying to get better, or especially trying to get worse ("tank"), I could easily see him either flat out resign at the end of this season, or at least mutually agree to part ways with the front office.

For Rose, the perception that the front office isn't trying to get better is the sort of thing that can rapidly snowball to him coercing a trade or making up his mind that he's out of here in a few years when his contract expires. We've already heard rumblings about his opinion that this team isn't good enough support for him.

Both of these guys are too important to just ignore. But other than that, I see what you're saying.
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I would be good if we could land in a spot to land a Dante Exum or Aaron Gordon. I could see Exum sliding a little the more front offices pick his game apart. Right now there's not a lot known about him. I love Gary Harris's game. He would fit nicely next to Rose in our back court
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